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re: in NSA-intercepted data, those not targeted far outnumber the foreigners who are
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:44 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:44 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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And???
Hell of lot better ways to spend our money than spying on the whole planet.
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:45 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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4th Amendment baloney.
That about sums up the government's position. Thanks.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:47 am to Hardy_Har
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I wasn't talking about mined US data
Non-responsive.
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Note to you: there is no fricking problem. The NSA has tipped more probable attacks that have been turned over to the FBI and resolved than you'll ever know
No. They haven't.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:49 am to Person of interest
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Hell of lot better ways to spend our money than spying on the whole planet.
How on Earth do you think we make this much money? Do you honestly think corporate espionage is so benign that no one is doing it? (PROTIP: They are all doing it.)
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:51 am to the808bass
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No. They haven't
Yeah, they have.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:53 am to Rebelgator
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No. They haven't
Yeah, they have.
There was even a link posted on what they have stopped by surveillance extremely similar to what the NSA does.
As we've said countless times, 808: You can't give this information to just anyone. Because then they will infiltrate easier.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:56 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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: You can't give this information to just anyone. Because then they will infiltrate easier.
You're trying to reason with tin foil.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 10:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
An analysis of 225 terrorism cases inside the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks has concluded that the bulk collection of phone records by the National Security Agency “has had no discernible impact on preventing acts of terrorism.”
The study, to be released Monday, corroborates the findings of a White House-appointed review group, which said last month that the NSA counterterrorism program “was not essential to preventing attacks” and that much of the evidence it did turn up “could readily have been obtained in a timely manner using conventional [court] orders.”
No they didn't
The study, to be released Monday, corroborates the findings of a White House-appointed review group, which said last month that the NSA counterterrorism program “was not essential to preventing attacks” and that much of the evidence it did turn up “could readily have been obtained in a timely manner using conventional [court] orders.”
No they didn't
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:01 am to Person of interest
I'm just going to post ONE incident, because you won't believe me at any rate.
Mohamud had been monitored by the FBI for months. He reportedly attracted the interest of the FBI after agents intercepted e-mails he was exchanging with a man who had returned to the Middle East, and whom law enforcement officials described as a “recruiter for terrorism.” The man had previously lived in Oregon, where Mohamud reportedly met him, before moving first to Yemen and then to Pakistan.
How do you think they got those emails, genius?
Mohamud had been monitored by the FBI for months. He reportedly attracted the interest of the FBI after agents intercepted e-mails he was exchanging with a man who had returned to the Middle East, and whom law enforcement officials described as a “recruiter for terrorism.” The man had previously lived in Oregon, where Mohamud reportedly met him, before moving first to Yemen and then to Pakistan.
How do you think they got those emails, genius?
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:07 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Not much info in your link there...
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:10 am to Person of interest
Portland Car Bomb Plot
Wikipedia for quick reference.
Citations are: Associated Press, CNN, BBC, Washington Post among others.
Wikipedia for quick reference.
Citations are: Associated Press, CNN, BBC, Washington Post among others.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:30 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
This was not a terror plot it was a sting set up by the FBI to implicate a want to be terrorist in a plot. Harldy proof of the NSA stopping anything. Did not say if they used a warrant or not either.
[link=(Later in June, aware of Mr. Mohamud’s frustrated attempts to receive training as a jihadist overseas, an undercover agent first made contact with him, posing as an associate of the man in Pakistan. On the morning of July 30, the F.B.I. first met with Mr. Mohamud in person to initiate the sting operation.)]NY Times article[/link]
[link=(Later in June, aware of Mr. Mohamud’s frustrated attempts to receive training as a jihadist overseas, an undercover agent first made contact with him, posing as an associate of the man in Pakistan. On the morning of July 30, the F.B.I. first met with Mr. Mohamud in person to initiate the sting operation.)]NY Times article[/link]
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:33 am to Person of interest
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This was not a terror plot it was a sting set up by the FBI to implicate a want to be terrorist in a plot. Harldy proof of the NSA stopping anything. Did not say if they used a warrant or not either.
Can you not fricking read? The reason they started the sting is because they intercepted emails, I even bolded it, and I will go ahead and respond to it directly and highlight for you again.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:33 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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He reportedly attracted the interest of the FBI after agents intercepted e-mails he was exchanging with a man who had returned to the Middle East, and whom law enforcement officials described as a “recruiter for terrorism.”
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How do you think they got those emails, genius?
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:46 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
With a warrant.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 11:58 am to Person of interest
From another article:
"And it was a tip from the Muslim community that led the FBI to Mohamud, federal officials said."
WaPo
"And it was a tip from the Muslim community that led the FBI to Mohamud, federal officials said."
WaPo
Posted on 7/9/14 at 12:00 pm to Rebelgator
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Yeah, they have.
1). If NSA data mining was even tertiary in helping foil terrorist plots, we'd hear that trumpeted from the rooftops.
2). Even if it foiled a huge terror plot, it doesn't warrant breaking civil liberties of Americans. I'm sure we could catch a lot of criminals if we ignored the 4th entirely. The ends don't justify the means.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 12:14 pm to the808bass
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The ends don't justify the means
Exactly
Posted on 7/9/14 at 12:18 pm to sorantable
Why? Are you scared they're going to catch you beating off and hear you moaning. 
Posted on 7/9/14 at 12:22 pm to Wtodd
So you two support terrorist activity that kills civilians and kids? That's what's great about this country. Up until 9/11 shite like this didn't happen here and now we are exercizing whatever measure it takes to prevent it. Sounds pretty American to me.
You two need to leave the comforts of your boring flyover state and go to a third world country for awhile. You form an opinion on what you read / see / hear combined with the type person you are, which is normal. My guess would be extremely sheltered with the false sense of "intellect" you were sold in school.
You need to quit reading about it and go get you some. You'll be all about some NSA the first time someone takes a swing at your life.. I don't want what I've seen in other countries here.
You two need to leave the comforts of your boring flyover state and go to a third world country for awhile. You form an opinion on what you read / see / hear combined with the type person you are, which is normal. My guess would be extremely sheltered with the false sense of "intellect" you were sold in school.
You need to quit reading about it and go get you some. You'll be all about some NSA the first time someone takes a swing at your life.. I don't want what I've seen in other countries here.
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