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re: How or What: The way schools teach

Posted on 3/12/15 at 4:12 pm to
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 4:12 pm to
My wife's a teacher currently working on her Masters. Whether or not you can actually see it in the real world all of the current theories are aimed toward teaching students how to learn. Metacognition. How to think about thinking. How to learn how to learn.

Of course these are the theories. Then you're on your own to actually pull it off in a class with 35 students, 5 of whom can't speak English, 3 of whom are dyslexic, and 1 of whom has a criminal record and is packing a gun.

Contrary to popular belief true critical thinking would bring most people back to the status quo. By the time they've had children of their own for a while and/or by the time they're 30. "Give me air conditioning or give me an ideal world!" Any true critical thinker would choose air conditioning. Our society is a lot closer to righteous than most youngsters realize. The problem is those who critically think themselves to a comfortable plateau at 22 and then stop thinking, ardently resolute at remaining ridiculously anti-everything forever.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35610 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 4:56 pm to
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Give me air conditioning or give me an ideal world!


An ideal world is air conditioned. Your question is invalid.
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 5:08 pm to
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An ideal world is air conditioned. Your question is invalid.


Touche'.
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:32 pm to
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I wasn't responding to the article. I was responding to the question.


Exhibit B.

There wasn't an article.
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:41 pm to
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Without a foundation of information, you cannot expect someone to make informed decisions.


Well fricking said.


Trouble is, you can teach a foundation built on bs -- like Columbus was an adventurous hero, instead of the truth, that he was a plundering mass killer.

Posted by diddydirtyAubie
Bozeman
Member since Dec 2010
39829 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:43 pm to
Schools tell kids to download an app and teach themselves while their teacher supervises.
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:47 pm to
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bs -- like Columbus was an adventurous hero, instead of the truth, that he was a plundering mass killer.


You are grossly misinformed or else just another emotionally-based anti-everything moron. Maybe you're disillusioned because money rules the world and you don't have blue blood? When you could man up like the the rest of us and deal with it.

I used to think that Columbus was just a lucky frick who got famous for nothing. Then I actually learned something. That SOB spent 25 years becoming one of the very best map makers in the world. He spent his own money taking numerous trips to Spain and Portugal to take wind and water samples and interview sailors on weather and ocean currents. He postulated that the earth was round and worked like a slave for decades to bolster his theory. Then he had the balls to seek audience with the King and Queen of a country that wasn't even his and to ask them for several million dollars' (in today's money) investment. And he got it.

Let me tell you something about the people he "mass killed" as you put it: They were still in the stone age. Their "science" was bullshite; their "medicine" manure. There were only a few million of them total across North and South America because their life expectancy was shite. They lived like animals and died like animals. It would have taken THEM another 100,000 years to get to the moon.

People like you should have to spend just one month living in the stone age. In fact, every American high school student should have to do this. There'd be a whole lot fewer emotionally-based anti-everything morons in America I guarantee you. And a whole lot more with a more accurate perception of what truths are "true".
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:19 pm to
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. Maybe you're disillusioned because money rules the world and you don't have blue blood? When you could man up like the the rest of us and deal with it.


How does this have anything to do with Columbus, or my assertion of the truth? Weird.

Anyway.

No one said Columbus wasn't accomplished, no one said he didn't work hard to become the great shipmen that he was. Hitler was no slouch either, but ya know, not the nicest guy around.

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he had the balls to seek audience with the King and Queen of a country that wasn't even his and to ask them for several million dollars' (in today's money) investment. And he got it.



Yeah, he got it. You know how? Because he greatly exaggerated and lied about the gold that was found.

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Let me tell you something about the people he "mass killed" as you put it: They were still in the stone age. Their "science" was bullshite; their "medicine" manure
They were still in the stone age. Their "science" was bullshite; their "medicine" manure. There were only a few million of them total across North and South America because their life expectancy was shite. They lived like animals and died like animals


From the accounts of Columbus himself, and a priest that traveled with the company, what you just described is not quite the truth. But your ignorance on that matter isn't very relevant to the main issue -- understanding that Columbus was disgusting. Given the education/intelligence level I'm dealing with I'm not going to waste energy giving a history lesson.

But I'll offer you the tools to learn yourself. Since you'd like to recommend that I live in the stone age, I'd like to make the mild recommendation that you read a few books, a lopsided trade off, but I'm confident you'd benefit and that's my interest. Maybe A People's History of The United States, maybe Ishmael, or Empire of the Summer Moon. You seem like you could use some post-indoctrination education. I'd love it if you read just the first chapter of A Peoples History, which is all about our beloved hero, Columbus.
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:35 pm to
I am well aware that Columbus' first thought on meeting the natives was, "shite. We could make these primitives do anything we want!"

Is this to what you're alluding?

If so then I'm there already. It's just that I don't see this as "evil". Or even "bad". Life is the will to power. I've no qualms with it.
Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:54 pm to
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Is this to what you're alluding?


Well, um, that, and like the 3 million people who died within a decade in Hispaniola. Spaniards refused to walk any distance, making the indians carry them on their backs. They'd cut open indians to test their blades sharpness, 700,000 babies died on Cuba in 3 months. They wiped out civilizations of people. I mean, Jesus, bud. How detailed do you need me to get? These things I mentioned take away from the larger scope. The romantic story of adventure is bs, it's revisionism.. But I'm certain you're as ignorant as the fools who did these crimes, so this is all a waste.

There won't be anymore time I spend on this, unless you'd like for me to scratch the surface (that's supposed to be ironic). Not worth it. Go on hoo-raing to your hearts content.
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:00 pm to
You are dedicated.

Again, this continent is a FAR better place to live now than it was in 1491.

And Zinn was a commie you know.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:02 pm to
Great teachers show kids how to think. lazy teachers instruct on what to think.

There is an element of education that requires rote knowledge. Multiplication tables and the ABC's are memorized basic building blocks, but once the blocks are installed, what to do with them is where the magic happens.

Posted by hipgnosis
Member since Mar 2015
1226 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:11 pm to
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Again, this continent is a FAR better place to live now than it was in 1491.



Umm. Okay?

For one, that's an opinion.

There has been a great forgetting. At one time millions of buffalo roamed, food was abundant, and life was sustainable with the earth.

But anyway, that's a huge philosophical mountain to climb that is irrelevant in this case.

Whether or not life is better now than it was in 1491 has no bearing on the story we've been told -- Adventure hero finds a new land and colonizes it is drastically far from the truth, that's the point. It's a flat out lie, one that alters our perception of how we see the world.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:18 pm to
They don't teach them how to be good voters. OF course if they tried the politicians would go ballistic.
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