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re: How Mjnorities can gain their "privilege"
Posted on 5/30/14 at 7:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 5/30/14 at 7:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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And you're not white, so how fricking dare you say that we have privilege? When you haven't spent a day being white?
This comment makes you sound like you're playing the victim card.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:38 am to Slippery Slope
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So you got catfished?
You end up banging Julio or what?
:cough: :cough: loser.
No, we're still together and our four year anniversary is coming up in July.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 8:46 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:40 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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You could say culture,
That's exactly what I'm saying and why I leave it at that. They approach society differently -- their mantra from the day they're born is "get good grades, go to a good school, get a good job." Any race that does this will succeed in America, and it's just that simple.
Most of the minority problems are self-fulfilling prophecies, not because of an automatic disadvantage.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:41 am to UMTigerRebel
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This comment makes you sound like you're playing the victim card.
It's called intellectual honesty.
Especially in regards to hypocrisy.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:49 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:49 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The arguments about race (especially in the south) haven't really changed in 150 years. Whites born into wealth or at least comfort feel guilty about their actual privilege (that of being born to wealth) and want to help poor minorities because they are more easily recognizable in the modern media. Or if not recognizable, they are highlighted much more than poor whites. Whites born into poverty or close to it don't feel that way; they've had to compete directly with poor minorities their entire lives for jobs, housing, etc. they see the attention paid to poor minorities and say "wait, what about me? Why are they special?". They hear "check your privilege" and respond angrily.
Poverty in America is across all colors. There are parts of Appalachia that still don't have reliable utilities or sometimes none at all. Those parts are mostly white.
Poverty in America is across all colors. There are parts of Appalachia that still don't have reliable utilities or sometimes none at all. Those parts are mostly white.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:53 am to Vols&Shaft83
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So let me get this straight
You have to read between the lines of what delta posted, and what he was saying between the lines is black people should stop acting like black people and act more like white people then they'll be able to enjoy some white privilege. White people have been doing this since this country was formed, though they've gotten more veiled with their comments.
Notice that delta responded to my post that his thread title included "minorities', but in all his other posts he pretty much only mentions blacks. He has some deep seeded prejudices, which I guess comes from living in the Mississippi Delta. His post was dumb because he first stated there was no white privilege, but then told black people what they needed to do to get some of this white privilege.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:56 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Most of the minority problems are self-fulfilling prophecies, not because of an automatic disadvantage.
even if that is the case, it doesn't mean that there isn't a built in advantage, again generally speaking, to being white. Nobody in this thread was saying that it is a valid excuse, but it does exist.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:56 am to UMTigerRebel
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This comment makes you sound like you're playing the victim card.
The new American Way: life, liberty and pursuit of victimhood so I can whine.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:58 am to cokebottleag
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Poverty in America is across all colors. There are parts of Appalachia that still don't have reliable utilities or sometimes none at all. Those parts are mostly white
I totally agree and has been my entire point in this conversation. I don't see color -- other than green. A black man with a lot of money is just as secure and has just as much peace of mind as a white man with a lot of money -- really anyone with money.
They'll say it's not just about economics but the other arguments are very weak.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:02 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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even if that is the case, it doesn't mean that there isn't a built in advantage, again generally speaking, to being white. Nobody in this thread was saying that it is a valid excuse, but it does exist.
I'm sorry, but it's not a privilege if all it takes is changing who you are. Blacks (let's not kid ourselves, Hispanics and Asians don't trouble themselves with half of this bullshite) have a single problem: They're still stuck in the race war. Everyone's moved on except maybe Donald Sterling (while simultaneously fricking a mixed chick), but other than that privilege is a matter of location, status and wealth.
NOT SKIN COLOR.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:08 am to The Spleen
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You have to read between the lines of what delta posted, and what he was saying between the lines is black people should stop acting like black people and act more like white people then they'll be able to enjoy some white privilege.
Except nothing he said was inherent in black culture. Maybe you're a racist and believe blacks can't manage a credit score or money, can't dress professionally, or any of the other benign things mentioned in the OP.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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status and wealth.
what race is on the upper level of those two?
Granted, a minority born with the same status will have privilege due to these two factors very similar to a white person.
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location,
what race is the majority in America, sorry I don't care about Mexico.
So In America being born a white wealthy person will get you Privilege wealth (Pw), Privilege status (Ps), Privilege location (Pl).
Being born a wealthy minority you get Ps, Pw
and simple math says Ps + Pw + Pl > Ps + Pw
that works for no matter how small a factor Pl is.
Again it is due to majority, majority exhibits power, will and influence. In the end, it still means all else being equal, born white is better than born minority in this country. - i don't like the word better, I will say easier - generally speaking.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:10 am to the808bass
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Except nothing he said was inherent in black culture. Maybe you're a racist and believe blacks can't manage a credit score or money, can't dress professionally, or any of the other benign things mentioned in the OP.
He definitely didn't and while I don't believe those things listed -- I do believe they raise the greatest stink about white privilege and racism. I -never- hear this from Asians or Hispanics outside of advocacy groups.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:13 am to CheeseburgerEddie
What is "Privilege location"?
ETA: And your formula is way too simple.
Pw + Ps + Pl (whatever this is, I assume it's code for "white") + butt ugly < Pw+ Ps + good looking + Minority
Pw + Ps + Pl + no network < Pw + Ps + Minority + Network
Pw + Ps + Pl <= Pw + Ps + Minority in job search where company is currently committed to "diversity hiring"
ETA: And your formula is way too simple.
Pw + Ps + Pl (whatever this is, I assume it's code for "white") + butt ugly < Pw+ Ps + good looking + Minority
Pw + Ps + Pl + no network < Pw + Ps + Minority + Network
Pw + Ps + Pl <= Pw + Ps + Minority in job search where company is currently committed to "diversity hiring"
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:16 am to deltaland
Median weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers, by sex, race, and ethnicity, U.S., 2009
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:19 am to the808bass
being born in a location where you are the majority. i was just terming it to go along with his post.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:22 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
It's not whites who are holding anyone down systematically. A great real world example is Zimbabwe. Mugabe took power and Zimbabwe went from 10% white to 0% overnight. Did the other tribes (Ian smith called himself the representative of the "white tribe". Zimbabweans never thought of things as bi-racial, there were around a half dozen peoples) rise up and become more wealthy after no longer being held down? No. The only thing that happened was the wealth created by the white farmers left and the place is a bigger shithole than it was before.
It's culture. Not race. The culture of poverty plagued areas and peoples keeps them down. "Owning it" and calling for people to respect lower class culture is like fat people trying to convince everyone and themselves that "it's ok to be fat". Sure, but there are consequences, and no one is going to give a shite about you when you complain about "fat bias". If you want to celebrate saggy clothes as "black" and not "poor" or "sloppy", what do you want to call single parent homes? Should a black man who stays with his kids be accused of "acting white"?
When the work culture is the same, there is no difference between black, white, Latino, etc. valuing presentation, (which isn't just "white". If you'd worked with international companies you'd see how ridiculous you sound. Commerce has a global culture which is similar in Singapore, Houston, Beijing, Moscow, London, etc), honesty, sobriety, hard work, and initiative are universal.
It's culture. Not race. The culture of poverty plagued areas and peoples keeps them down. "Owning it" and calling for people to respect lower class culture is like fat people trying to convince everyone and themselves that "it's ok to be fat". Sure, but there are consequences, and no one is going to give a shite about you when you complain about "fat bias". If you want to celebrate saggy clothes as "black" and not "poor" or "sloppy", what do you want to call single parent homes? Should a black man who stays with his kids be accused of "acting white"?
When the work culture is the same, there is no difference between black, white, Latino, etc. valuing presentation, (which isn't just "white". If you'd worked with international companies you'd see how ridiculous you sound. Commerce has a global culture which is similar in Singapore, Houston, Beijing, Moscow, London, etc), honesty, sobriety, hard work, and initiative are universal.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:25 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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what race is on the upper level of those two?
Granted, a minority born with the same status will have privilege due to these two factors very similar to a white person
It. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. Skin. Color.
A poor fricking white person has just as much of a chance to succeed or fail as a poor black person. You refute yourself every single time.
And Privileged Location goes all over the place -- I defy you to go to Laredo, Texas and talk about white privilege.
Your location will dictate your status regardless of being white.
Your wealth will dictate your status regardless of being white.
White privilege is just a way to discount what a white person says -- even if he has been a minority before and has more experience. It's racism in the guise of academia.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:25 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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I'll try an example. Two people same qualifications, good at the interview, etc. all the same are going for a job. One pulls up and the boss hears him rocking to Tom Petty or something else he listens to. The other pulls up blasting some Big KRIT - who do you think the guy will end up hiring? And it isn't a glaring hate for rap music, but that employees work so closely with one another you have to hire people with like mindsets so you don't have an HR complaint every single day, and it is natural to gravitate towards those you have similarities with.
This is a good point Eddie. People tend to gravitate to those whom they perceive to be more like them. It's one of the reasons why many companies have Diversity boards, Women's Networking Groups, etc. Traditionally businesses have been run by white males, so it was only natural they became mentors to up and coming other white males.
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