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re: Heaven and Hell Exist, and I Believe I Know Where
Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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i suspect that you wouldn't somewhat fear my theory if you didn't allow the possibility that it could be true.
i suspect that you wouldn't somewhat fear my theory if you didn't allow the possibility that it could be true.
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:21 pm to mizzoukills
That's an interesting and viable theory. There is much about our existence and our consciousness that is largely not understood. I think we have only scratched the surface on what we know about our universe, how it came to be, and where we come from.
This is why I think it's idiotic for someone to claim with 100% certainty and claim as fact that what they believe is right. We could all be wrong for all we know.
Good thread
This is why I think it's idiotic for someone to claim with 100% certainty and claim as fact that what they believe is right. We could all be wrong for all we know.
Good thread
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:22 pm to mizzoukills
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no longer fear death.
Wouldnt that make somebody fear death dependent on the outcome
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:26 pm to mizzoukills
I don't know that I want to believe in the possibility of a heaven/hell where I can't read...
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:28 pm to mizzoukills
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i suspect that you wouldn't somewhat fear my theory if you didn't allow the possibility that it could be true.
Are you saying that people, or myself, are incapable of having irrational fears? Allow me to clarify: I have this fear that I may be killed by another person and will be forced to relive being dominated and ashamed in defeat and that may be eternal to some degree when I die.
It's not rational, nor is it likely, it's just an imagination run too far.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Why did you come into this thread with an attitude? Why you mad? 
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:53 pm to mizzoukills
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Why did you come into this thread with an attitude? Why you mad?
...Mad? O_o
Maybe shock, but certainly not angry or even upset.
Why haven't you responded to legitimate criticism (and I'll go as far as to say debunking) of the premise? I've been completely calm and rational, or maybe I came off the wrong way?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:12 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I read a theory one time that everyone is reincarnated somehow, somewhere that maybe is not earth or even this universe.
Anyway, at the moment of death you get a "surge" of shite that is similar to dreaming and if you can keep a hold of yourself and who you are on a subconscious level throughout this dreaming period, you will have a sense of your past self in the next life. Lots of the ceremonial paintings and traditions of the ancient Egyptians were designed to help the person passing on keep a sense of themselves in this transition period.
Anyway, at the moment of death you get a "surge" of shite that is similar to dreaming and if you can keep a hold of yourself and who you are on a subconscious level throughout this dreaming period, you will have a sense of your past self in the next life. Lots of the ceremonial paintings and traditions of the ancient Egyptians were designed to help the person passing on keep a sense of themselves in this transition period.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:17 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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I read a theory one time that everyone is reincarnated somehow, somewhere that maybe is not earth or even this universe.
Anyway, at the moment of death you get a "surge" of shite that is similar to dreaming and if you can keep a hold of yourself and who you are on a subconscious level throughout this dreaming period, you will have a sense of your past self in the next life. Lots of the ceremonial paintings and traditions of the ancient Egyptians were designed to help the person passing on keep a sense of themselves in this transition period.
I think the major problem is that it is, for the most part, unfalsifiable. I referred to ''Last Thursdayism'' which is basically: What if the universe was created Last Thursday with all of the information implanted in us and the universe contorted around it.
What if that happened at any time? How would we ever determine if it were wrong? The surge is generally just your body easing you into death, there's really nothing mystical about it.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm not sure why you believe you debunked this.
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:35 pm to mizzoukills
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:42 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Doesn't mean it isn't true. Just that you can't prove that it isn't.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:46 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Doesn't mean it isn't true. Just that you can't prove that it isn't.
The veracity of any claim is determined on how falsifiable it is. In this case, we're injecting phobic premises to fill in the gaps of a premise that cannot be true otherwise.
For instance: We can't believe in Last Thursdayism, but we can't posit that it's true or even untrue. There's just no benefit in believing in it until we can determine one way or another.
Schrodinger's Cat is also a valid example.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:52 pm to mizzoukills
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It is no stretch to consider that the human brain is wired with an "end of life" experience to allow the individual a smoother (or perhaps punishable) transition from life to death
Why would there be such a hard-wiring? Certainly not from evolution. If someone were hard-wired to "ease into death", that would only make that person less cautious regarding death and would definitely not be an evolutionary advantage.
Hell for that matter, how can there even be an advantage when the only time the "advantage" is exercised is the ultimate moment of a person's life when they can't pass on their genes?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:02 pm to PrivatePublic
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Why would there be such a hard-wiring? Certainly not from evolution. If someone were hard-wired to "ease into death", that would only make that person less cautious regarding death and would definitely not be an evolutionary advantage.
Hell for that matter, how can there even be an advantage when the only time the "advantage" is exercised is the ultimate moment of a person's life when they can't pass on their genes?
Evolution doesn't automatically mean an ''advantage''. For instance: Our adrenaline glands are too big, which can cause us to experience these things that are by and large not good. Take, for instance, getting knocked out which is a terrible tactic even though it does save you.
How? Well, when your head jerks to the side your brain basically flips the switches off to protect you to some degree. (If you see a person's hands coming toward their head it's usually sign of a very bad concussion.) But, it can actually save some important part of the brains.
Unfortunately, it's under the presumption that you're not going to get your head stomped on while you're out.
Evolution does not mean: Impervious to all afflictions, injuries or maladies. It just means that through time certain organisms have adapted.
Some are bad adaptations (large adrenaline glands), some are good (social order).
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I don't agree with your no benefit statement.
And I am not religious, but if you are looking for hard proof in afterlife/religious discussions you will always be very disappointed. But without any solid proof you just draw the best inferences that you can with the information available.
And I am not religious, but if you are looking for hard proof in afterlife/religious discussions you will always be very disappointed. But without any solid proof you just draw the best inferences that you can with the information available.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:12 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
Yep, it's merely a matter of faith and belief. Those looking for evidence will waste many a year of their lives.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:13 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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I don't agree with your no benefit statement.
And I am not religious, but if you are looking for hard proof in afterlife/religious discussions you will always be very disappointed. But without any solid proof you just draw the best inferences that you can with the information available.
Don't mistake me for saying: There's no possible way. That's not at all what I'm saying (and I'm not saying that's your position, this is a preface), all I'm proclaiming is: If there's no evidence to suggest it, there's no reason to believe it.
An afterlife is more believable than an immeasurable time in a measurable being and without any evidence to support, and none that can be offered at this time: The argument is moot until then.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:29 pm to mizzoukills
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If RNA can pass genetic hereditary traits from one human to another, could it also pass on memories or conscience?
The Monarch butterfly may do something similar to this
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The long migration of monarch butterflies is remarkable in itself, but even more amazing given the fact that the migrating butterflies are two generations removed from those that made the journey the previous year. "It is in their genes," Reppert said.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 3:39 pm
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