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Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:59 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Josephus was born after or maybe a year before Jesus had died.
I have the Works of Josephus and I'm aware. For me it's the same as having a Civil War historian today. Were they alive to fight in the war? No, there are civil war buffs and historians who have an accurate assessment of the Civil War because we aren't that far removed from it in history. Josephus was much closer in years to the time Jesus was on earth than any Civil War historian is to the Civil War today. I'm okay that Josephus wasn't one of Jesus' disciples, in fact, I think it adds to his credit much more that he wasn't.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Say, how do you think Jesus looked?
You are better than your posts in this thread.
But he was dark. Not Tbird dark, but dark.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:01 pm to wilkesboothjohn
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The whole point of this thread was not to point out the stupidity of the child, but rather to point out the stupidity that some bible thumpers have
No, the point of this thread was to get your alter it's first 10 posts on the board, which you accomplished while starting a topic that is a dead horse.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:01 pm to wilkesboothjohn
We haven't had this thread so many times before, mr. alter 
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:02 pm to oR33Do
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Did you get some peach cobbler while at Philmont?
Why yes I did
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:02 pm to wilkesboothjohn
Why are giving a child a hard time? They are repeating what they heard from the adults around them. 
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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You don't find it strange that he only thought to mention such a historical figure 60 years after the man had died? Say, how do you think Jesus looked?
I think historians are sometimes strange, what is it to me though what they decide to write about? I'm just saying that a non-connected source referenced Jesus's existence, which Josephus is and did. What are you getting at? You've admitted he did also. That's all my point was.
Why do you think I know what Jesus looked like? That's a clown question, bro.
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:14 pm to Stacked
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Why do you think I know what Jesus looked like?
So we have no idea what he looks like, or even a contemporary source on where he's from.
We have no carvings.
We have no paintings.
We have no references until 60 years after his death from an outside source.
The only sources earlier than that can't agree on it, and were also written decades after his death by authors who were, by and large, anonymous.
We dismiss his miracles and magic because of a lack of evidence -- in spite of that evidence being just as solid and referenced as the rest.
Jesus is possibly one of the biggest hoaxes of all time -- any God or Demigod at that time can have multiple references from different people. If that were the criterion then just about every Greek Hero was a real man.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:16 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Sounds like you cracked the code 
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:16 pm to Stacked
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Sounds like you cracked the code
I shall take your silence as consent.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Dude nobody cares 
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:19 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Dude nobody cares
He wouldn't have made an argument if nobody cared. He just doesn't wish to continue because his sole source is a known Christian interpolation. They bow out quickly when their sources are bunk.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm a christian.
You're not.
You ain't gonna change one person's mind, and I don't care about changing yours.
You're wasting your time even though I can tell this subject means a great deal to you. It's all good.
You're not.
You ain't gonna change one person's mind, and I don't care about changing yours.
You're wasting your time even though I can tell this subject means a great deal to you. It's all good.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Do you consider yourself Atheist or Agnostic?
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:24 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Do you consider yourself Atheist or Agnostic?
Kind of both, I guess.
Agnostic in its actual meaning is "It is unknowable", not that you are undecided. I am decisive in that I have no plausible evidence for God (to my standards), but I understand that knowledge is limited and don't dismiss anything.
I would change my mind if the evidence presented itself.
So, soft atheism?
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Why would you think you know what I believe? Whoever, including yourself, thinks they know what I believe regarding God is wrong. I just don't argue about religion because I know a lot of people feel strongly about it and I don't want to offend anyone's belief on that particular subject. I just brought up Josephus because it's a fair reference to someone saying the man Jesus didn't exist.
People around here can't even agree on if Sandy Hook was or wasn't a hoax, why would anyone think people would agree on something that happened 2K years ago? I don't assume I'm right about something just because I have an opinion. So why would I argue with other people that they are wrong?
People around here can't even agree on if Sandy Hook was or wasn't a hoax, why would anyone think people would agree on something that happened 2K years ago? I don't assume I'm right about something just because I have an opinion. So why would I argue with other people that they are wrong?
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
There is very little support for the idea that Jesus never existed, even in non-Christian circles. Saying he is a myth does a disservice to debates surrounding Christianity as it makes you look desperate. There are far better ways of arguing against the faith.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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He just doesn't wish to continue because his sole source is a known Christian interpolation. They bow out quickly when their sources are bunk.
Or you should give a mother fricker a chance to write a response. Geez you cranky bastard.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
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There is very little support for the idea that Jesus never existed, even in non-Christian circles. Saying he is a myth does a disservice to debates surrounding Christianity as it makes you look desperate. There are far better ways of arguing against the faith.
The voice is growing larger (and I find myself apart of this) regarding opposition. The vast majority of historians who considered it valid were by and large Christian (historical theology) and so it was just widely accepted.
Much like the article posited about Josephus being legitimate -- that was all but accepted until later dates and different methods. The more we dig on this, the more I have to be skeptical.
If we're talking about a preacher in the middle of the desert possibly named Yeshua -- that's not the same guy referenced in the Bible. In fact, it's so distant that it can't be considered the same.
Otherwise Hercules is a real man because there may have been a Greek warrior with the same name in that time.
Why do we dismiss the Son of God, Magic and Miracle claims but not the man when the sources for the two are the exact same?
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