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re: Do you think the Civil War was started over slavery?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:32 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:32 pm to Stonehog
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Do you think the Civil War was started over slavery?
The war was over economics/power of which slavery was a part.
The more interesting question is what would have happened had the South been allowed to secede?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:33 pm to davesdawgs
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The more interesting question is what would have happened had the South been allowed to secede?
The USA would have been shaped funny
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:36 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
I think Alexander Stephens' speech is representative of the views of the Southern political leadership. He wouldn't have occupied such a high post if he was out of step with the rest of the Confederate state.
Now as to the combat motivation of the men in the ranks in the army, who mostly didn't own slaves, they served for a variety of reasons. Just like our fighting men and women today.
I recommend Bell Irvin Wiley's "Johnny Reb" book for anyone interested in how Southern soldiers viewed the war.
Now as to the combat motivation of the men in the ranks in the army, who mostly didn't own slaves, they served for a variety of reasons. Just like our fighting men and women today.
I recommend Bell Irvin Wiley's "Johnny Reb" book for anyone interested in how Southern soldiers viewed the war.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:39 pm to Iosh
Words of The State of Mississippi...
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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:39 pm to PikeBishop
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PikeBishop
By the way, welcome to the SECr/AggyArk, if I haven't welcomed you already!
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:42 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Has anyone blamed Obama yet? Because I blame Obama
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:43 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Has anyone blamed Obama yet? Because I blame Obama
Dammit, we hadn't gotten around to that yet.
Thanks for covering our asses
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:45 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Did you see where Stonehog downvoted me? What a puss cake
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:46 pm to Stonehog
No. A bigger issue of states rights.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:48 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Thanks for reminding me to check the up/downvotes
This should be fun. brb
This should be fun. brb
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:50 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Aww damn I gotta open the desktop version to check those
Posted on 2/12/15 at 7:40 pm to deltaland
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Well slavery made it more profitable, but without slavery it still would have been profitable. Farming has always been a very profitable business in the South due to rich soil and easy access to irrigation.
But to answer your OP, yes slavery was a major factor of the war. Many southern states started to feel pressure from the North on the issue and knew if they didn't secede that it would eventually be abolished within a decade or two. The war probably sped up the abolishment of slavery.
Slavery wasn't the only issue. The South's economy was being controlled by the North and Northern industries were getting massive tax breaks while heavy tariffs were being put on southern agriculture exports. It was a conglomeration of issues that led to the hatred between the 2 but the ever growing pressure on slavery was probably the tipping point.
This is very well said, and about as brief as you can get. I applaud you.
If anyone wants to read the link that Tbird posted to Georgia's reasons for succession, and few of you will because it is a very long wall of oldish English text, you will see what we mean when we talk about state's rights.
In a nutshell, northern manufacturing, mining, and fishing/shipping were all getting special treatment from the federal government through trade restrictions and such, for decades. Meanwhile the South was getting fricked on agriculture.
In 1841 or 42, a new Act of Congress ended a bunch of the crooked shite that had been going on for the northern economy, but didn't do a whole lot to end the buttfricking that the southern economy was taking.
This is when all of the northern interests came up with a new political party through which they could regain control of the federal government to put their special shite back in place. They knew the only thing they could do to unite enough northerners was to create an abolitionist party. The crooks called it the Republican Party.
This party failed in it's first round of elections in 1856 but finally got Lincoln in in 1860.
All under the guise of some great humanitarian plan to free the slaves.
The south said frick yall, not only are you NOT going to go back to your crooked business practices at our expense, you DAMN sure aren't going to outlaw slavery down here as a ruse to justify your crooked existence.
Read the Lincoln Diaries. He hated black people. Do some knowledge on how/why Liberia was formed and why they use a "dollar" as their currency.
Sorry for any spelling grammar mistakes, no time to preview.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 7:44 pm to deeprig9
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Do some knowledge on how/why Liberia was formed and why they use a "dollar" as their currency.
Or why their flag looks so....familiar
Posted on 2/12/15 at 7:48 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Wasn't it over a Southern Conference school being left out of the BCS?
No?
Same thing, really
No?
Same thing, really
Posted on 2/12/15 at 7:57 pm to scrooster
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:25 pm to Stonehog
The secession was because of slavery. The invasion was because of the secession.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:55 pm to mauser
Yes. From Lincoln's second inaugural address:
One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war.
One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 9:04 pm to deeprig9
The history behind the founding of Liberia is interesting.
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