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re: Do you look down on an unmarried couple having a baby?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:11 pm to Carolina Tide
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:11 pm to Carolina Tide
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The only problem with this is that the kids, who've done nothing wrong, are the ones who will suffer. I understand where Paul is coming from, but that's not the best solution.
Aren't you obligated to offer an alternative solution when you criticize one?
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:11 pm to Carolina Tide
I'm for requiring birth control shots for women on welfare. Have all the children you want when you can pay for it, but not while the taxpayers are paying for you.
And I'm assuming this is related to SS's three about his friend's girlfriend being pregnant and needing to tell him. Best of luck to you, SS.
And I'm assuming this is related to SS's three about his friend's girlfriend being pregnant and needing to tell him. Best of luck to you, SS.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:13 pm to Slippery Slope
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Do you look down on an unmarried couple having a baby?
Theoretically, no, but sometimes my conservative Southern Baptist childhood overrules my liberal, social-worker adulthood. I mean, I don't actively look down on unmarried parents, but I probably mention the fact that I'm a widow more often than necessary. It bothers me somehow that people might not know that my children have the same father and that we were married when they were born and that single parenthood wasn't a life choice for me. I know I have issues, but if I were truly accepting of single parents it wouldn't matter what people thought of me.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:16 pm to semotruman
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I'm for requiring birth control shots for women on welfare. Have all the children you want when you can pay for it, but not while the taxpayers are paying for you.
I agree with this but I'd also require drug tests and losing the right to vote while on welfare. Wards of the state tend to vote for welfare programs to get broader and deeper.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:26 pm to Kentucker
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Aren't you obligated to offer an alternative solution when you criticize one?
I don't have a better solution. Each family has a different story, and a different problem. A blanket solution can't fix everything. I agree with what Semo said about the birth control, but if the kid is already here, it has to be taken care of. Its not their fault that their mother is a deadbeat. Why should they have to suffer?
Also to the OP, no I don't look down on unmarried couples. shite happens. You can't force love, but it should at least be considered. However as long as the child is taken care of, I don't see a problem.
Even though my mom would kill me if I had a kid out of wedlock.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:36 pm to Carolina Tide
Sen. Rand Paul is proposing to cut off aid to women who continue to have children after going on welfare. That would bring about removal of children from her care because she couldn't provide for them. She shouldn't be provided a reward just for her ability to have children. The way the welfare system is structured now is to give her more welfare every time she has another child. So she's being encouraged to have as many as possible.
Doing nothing is not a solution.
Doing nothing is not a solution.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:39 pm to Kentucker
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Sen. Rand Paul is proposing to cut off aid to women who continue to have children after going on welfare. That would bring about removal of children from her care because she couldn't provide for them.
But is he proposing strengthening funding to social services (I'm talking about CHFS/CPS, group homes, etc) who will then have to cope with the removal of children from the home? Right now you barely have enough foster parents for the kids in the system right now.
I don't see anywhere that he has. Therein lies the rub.
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Doing nothing is not a solution.
Agreed. But doing something that will just add to the problem isn't a solution either.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:52 pm to Carolina Tide
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Its not their fault that their mother is a deadbeat.
And this is a big part of the problem.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:53 pm to Dawggy_Style
It really is.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:54 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Agreed. But doing something that will just add to the problem isn't a solution either.
Obviously, making a radical change in our complicated government system has a domino effect. Stopping aid to baby factories and taking them away from their producers would suddenly create hundreds of thousands of children for the government to care for. Maybe orphanages are on their way back. That would certainly be an improvement over their lots now.
I like Paul's fiscal conservatism but I abhor social right wingers. He yields too much to the social wing nuts for me. I think he has to in order to get elected.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:59 pm to Kentucker
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Maybe orphanages are on their way back.
They won't be until there's funding provided to run them. Sadly social services that would handle that flow of children get some of the strongest cuts because they're tied in with Medicaid/Medicare when we talk about "welfare". For awhile private organizations were able to assist in placing children, but they're also struggling because of dips in donations/funding for them as well. We've had more than a few here in Kentucky shut down because of lack of private funding.
Both sides have yet to provide a solution with a backup plan though. I'm not a big Rand Paul fan myself, but I appreciate wanting to change. Unfortunately our education system and No Child Left Behind is a good example of pursuing the notion of change for the sake of "this needs to change" without really providing a viable option.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:01 pm to Dawggy_Style
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quote: Its not their fault that their mother is a deadbeat. And this is a big part of the problem.
That's actually the biggest part of the problem. Deadbeat parents, in this case women who make babies for a living, milk the system because they know society doesn't want to harm babies. They use kids as a means to an end.
Even illegal aliens have caught on to this weakness of our society. If pregnant Latinas, for example, can make it across the border and give birth in the U.S., their babies will automatically be citizens. The U.S. won't deport them because the parents now have to care for a citizen. They're called "anchor babies." And, of course, they're now eligible for a kaleidoscope of welfare programs, of which they readily partake.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
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They won't be until there's funding provided to run them.
True. However, that funding would at least be partly available if aid to deadbeat parents was cut off.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:06 pm to Slippery Slope
My wife got pregnant our senior year in high school. Talk about a life changer. We've been married for 32 great years.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:07 pm to Kentucker
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True. However, that funding would at least be partly available if aid to deadbeat parents was cut off.
I would like to believe that. I really would. But unless Paul is able to secure it when he makes the push for his bill, it'll definitely get appropriated for something else. And that something else will be more than likely at the hands of whatever lobbyist is being entertained at the moment.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:08 pm to Dubosed
Wouldn't it be wonderful if that was the outcome of every pregnancy? It isn't.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:11 pm to Slippery Slope
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Do you look down on an unmarried couple having a baby?
Only if it is their third or more, but then I look down on married couples who do the same. Our world is too overpopulated as is. frick people that make the problem worse but won't have to deal with the consequences.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:11 pm to BluegrassBelle
Well, we here in Kentucky managed to elect a Libertarian in Paul. It will require other states to follow our lead. If America wasn't so damn polarized, it might happen. As mentioned earlier in the thread, we are approaching a tipping point where the takers out number the givers.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:18 pm to Kentucker
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if that was the outcome of every pregnancy? It isn't.
It's all about sacrifice.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:21 pm to Kentucker
I think you missed my point. This is not a women's issue, this is a societal issue. It's rather insulting to pretend that women become pregnant by themselves. It's also my belief that you are grossly overestimating the benefits that are available to these "women who make babies for a living."
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