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re: Debunking the claim that atheists die sooner
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:10 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:10 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Meh. Think of the billions that have lived full, good, clean, honest, lives that lived in rural India or China and never heard of Jesus. You can't accept Jesus in to your heart if you've never heard the Good Word, and you can't get in to Heaven without a relationship with Jesus.
Trying not to get too involved in this, T!!
... Many denominations of Christianity have lightened up a bit on this. I do remember when I was very young & attended a southern baptist church, they were rather adamant about sending missionaries to the "heathen" parts of the world to "save" the folks who had never heard of Jesus. Since then, I have been a member of, or attended pretty much every other denomination out there, finally settling on Presbyterian (it's a decent fit for me ). We do not believe that people who have never heard of Jesus are automatically doomed by God to hell. Don't believe that's the way it works, and there is biblical scripture to support that. ... One good thing about Presbyterian ministers - most are pretty educated, logical, "thinking" people, and don't just stand up at the pulpit screaming & bible thumping. They actually read & study it. quote:
So let's just say I have an Asian fetish. You're seriously gonna tell me that Heaven, a so called place of perfection, doesn't have readily available Asian women for me to plow?
Ummm ... Idk about that. :lol: You'll need to take that up with the Big Guy.
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:16 pm to Arkla Missy
If he plowed a field first, then he wouldn't have so much plowing energy.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:20 pm to Ole Geauxt
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If he plowed a field first, then he wouldn't have so much plowing energy.
Youngsters these days.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:22 pm to Arkla Missy
I was raised Presbyterian. And I used to take a lot of happiness in the fact that there was Christians that didn't believe in the stupidity of antinomianism or absolute grace or whatever you want to call it. Eventually I realized it was moot, as if it wasn't a widely accepted belief among Christians it was just like Muslims arguing over texts. All the same gibberish. Finding reconciliation was just my insecure attempt at rejecting what I wanted to be true.
I actually like blondes. Asians aren't my thing, but I do like Asians, and I don't support a God/religion/Church that would condemn them because they grew up in a rice paddy instead of deep in the heart of SEC country.
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Ummm ... Idk about that.
I actually like blondes. Asians aren't my thing, but I do like Asians, and I don't support a God/religion/Church that would condemn them because they grew up in a rice paddy instead of deep in the heart of SEC country.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:37 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I was raised Presbyterian. And I used to take a lot of happiness in the fact that there was Christians that didn't believe in the stupidity of antinomianism or absolute grace or whatever you want to call it. Eventually I realized it was moot, as if it wasn't a widely accepted belief among Christians it was just like Muslims arguing over texts. All the same gibberish. Finding reconciliation was just my insecure attempt at rejecting what I wanted to be true.
For me, personally, I have come to realize that there is no organized religion that I am going to agree with everything that every member, or minister for that matter, believes. The best thing for me was to find the one that, overall, stood for what I believe in my heart to be true. If you're looking for reconciliation of every detail, question, issue, you're probably not going to find it in any church. People just aren't going to agree on every detail, and that's ok.
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I don't support a God/religion/Church that would condemn them because they grew up in a rice paddy instead of deep in the heart of SEC country.
Nor do I; and as I said before, nor do I believe that's the way God works.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:39 pm to Arkla Missy
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have come to realize that there is no organized religion that I am going to agree with everything that every member, or minister for that matter, believes
xactly.. doesn't mean I cant learn from others though. much of todays churches are run too much like business and focuses on members and the almighty buck. not like it was growing up in a small church. it's been yrs since iv'e gotten involved in a church for this reason alone.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:44 pm to Arkla Missy
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If you're looking for reconciliation of every detail, question, issue, you're probably not going to find it in any church.
Well I think that the concept of believing in Jesus as a prerequisite of getting in to Heaven is flawed. That detail I'm not really looking for reconciliation on. I just think of it as silly as you probably think the Prophet Mohamed is.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:45 pm to Alahunter
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xactly.. doesn't mean I cant learn from others though. much of todays churches are run too much like business and focuses on members and the almighty buck. not like it was growing up in a small church. it's been yrs since iv'e gotten involved in a church for this reason alone.
Exactly the reason I enjoy smaller churches. It seems the real reason for their existences get lost in "money matters" in the larger ones, not to mention the church politics. ... The last time I went to a huge church that broadcasts its sermons on local tv, I left feeling extremely empty & pissed.
... I will attend larger churches' Christmas concerts - their choirs are usually stellar - but that's about it. This post was edited on 12/25/14 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:46 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Well I think that the concept of believing in Jesus as a prerequisite of getting in to Heaven is flawed
what other religion has "heaven"?
Maybe they have an equivalent, but not the same, right?
As far as man, from an atheist perspective, if there is a God, would man not be like a child to him, just as you punish and guide your own children, wouldn't u expect the same from him? And the disobedience to him could be likened as that of an insolent child to a parent...
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:48 pm to Alahunter
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what other religion has "heaven"?
Islam.
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Maybe they have an equivalent, but not the same, right?
The exact same.
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As far as man, from an atheist perspective, if there is a God, would man not be like a child to him, just as you punish and guide your own children, wouldn't u expect the same from him? And the disobedience to him could be likened as that of an insolent child to a parent...
Dunno. Not an atheist. Just not a Christian.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:51 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Well I think that the concept of believing in Jesus as a prerequisite of getting in to Heaven is flawed.
Well, since that is the basis of Christianity, we'll just agree to disagree, and that's ok.
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. I just think of it as silly as you probably think the Prophet Mohamed is.
I don't think it's silly for people to believe what they were taught & raised with.
... And honestly, I don't have the answers to those issues & questions, but I do have faith that God does. Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:51 pm to TeLeFaWx
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The exact same.
Where's the Christian bible talk about getting 72 virgins and martyism.
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Dunno. Not an atheist. Just not a Christian.
not shocked.
eta .. martyrdom.. or whatever.. lol.. yall igonore me tonight.
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:54 pm to Alahunter
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Where's the Christian bible talk about getting 72 virgins and martyism.
I mean if you want 72 virgins in Christian heaven you can get it as well I assume. Eternal paradise is eternal paradise. There are no restrictions.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:56 pm to Arkla Missy
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I don't think it's silly for people to believe what they were taught & raised with. ... And honestly, I don't have the answers to those issues & questions, but I do have faith that God does.
Neither do I. Point being you reconcile how they believe in religious doctrine you think to be false in a number of ways I am sure. If any of the teachings coincide with your own, I'm sure they align in many ways. Point being I view Christianity the same way you would any religion you reject. You reject hundreds of religions. I reject the same ones you do and just one more.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 6:57 pm to samson'sseed
I agree that a lot of it is quality of life and the type of person that is attracted to atheism.
Typical Swedish Atheist:
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:06 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Point being I view Christianity the same way you would any religion you reject. You reject hundreds of religions. I reject the same ones you do and just one more.
I don't think it's so much a matter of rejecting otter religions as it is accepting Christianity. I mean, we don't sit around in church services bashing other religions; we discuss/study our own. ... And that's absolutely your right to choose to believe what & how you believe, which is why I don't argue it. Your choice.
Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:07 pm to Arkla Missy
well spoken /typed
Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:13 pm to Alahunter
Thanks, & I'm done. ... Crap, religious discussions are tiring. ... I'm taking a break now.
... I'm taking a break now. Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:14 pm to Arkla Missy
is why I avoide them when I can think. people gonna believe what they believe, arguing anyting won't change a thing. Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:21 pm to Arkla Missy
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I don't think it's so much a matter of rejecting otter religions as it is accepting Christianity. I mean, we don't sit around in church services bashing other religions; we discuss/study our own. ... And that's absolutely your right to choose to believe what & how you believe, which is why I don't argue it. Your choice.
Very familiar with Church. Went for years.
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