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re: Debit card got stolen in New Orleans
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:20 am to deltaland
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:20 am to deltaland
I went to NOLA for formal last year and our room in the hotel, which was pretty nice, got broken into. Dude stole all of our phones and wallets except my wallet because it was buried in my bag. It can be a pretty dangerous place and they obviously target tourists or other people from outta town. Frick that place.
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 5:42 am to Gainesville_Dawg
Agree with straws 100% Cash or GTFO. Seriously, electronic fraud seems to happen an assload more lately, and I'm way more comfortable just keeping cash on me than dealing with a situation like that.
Although if a resteraunt waitress/waiter tried to scam me through a bank card, you can be sure as hell, I'm coming back with a vengeance.
Although if a resteraunt waitress/waiter tried to scam me through a bank card, you can be sure as hell, I'm coming back with a vengeance.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 6:43 am to deltaland
I got my fake ID stolen by some count bartender about 5-6 years ago, and she took advantage of me and stole it while I was blackout drunk. The city is an abortion.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 7:16 am to deltaland
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Somehow somebody swiped my debit card while I was using the ATM. Got back to the hotel 30 min later and noticed it was gone out of my wallet..immediately called and had the card cutoff. Whoever did it took 900 dollars in that short amount of time...and somehow got my PIN number to do it because they took 400 out of an ATM machine.
I'm fricking pissed I hate that cesspool of a city. My parents last year got their card number stolen from a restaurant waitress in Louisiana, and had their car broken into in New Orleans. What a shithole
What is the likelihood that my bank can recover my money considering I reported it stolen immediately? I know my parents got their money back when their card number was stolen.
So how did they physically get your card?
Sorry for your losses at the casino.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 7:22 am to OBReb6
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I got my fake ID stolen by some count bartender about 5-6 years ago, and she took advantage of me and stole it while I was blackout drunk. The city is an abortion
You realize she could have had you arrested, right?
Anyway, you were blacked out and you somehow know the bartender stole your fakE ID? Whats her motive?
and, the city being a abortion is because of underage passed out drunk morons.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 7:33 am to deltaland
About 8 years ago we had a truck, trailer,a and the 7 Harleys in the trailer stolen out of our hotel parking lot during the bike rally there. Took the cops 4 hours to respond and write a report. We not the damn cops found the truck and trailer the next morning about 2 miles from the hotel in an alley torn to shite and never did find the all the bikes. Some people I know managed to find 2 of the bikes a few days later but the other 5 were probably stripped and gone by then. frick that place.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 7:41 am to Agforlife
That was pretty much right after Katrina. It's a lot better now. Still some neighborhoods you don't want to mess with/be in though.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 7:53 am to Old Sarge
Delta needs a credit card with nothin on it. I put stupid shite on mine and pay it off in whole monthly. Helped put mt credit score past 780 and bails me out when Renesant Bank acts retarded..
Posted on 2/9/15 at 8:31 am to GeeOH
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So how did they physically get your card?
That's the biggest question. For the rant response, I'll say that he didn't know to put only the cash on the top of the TV and instead just put his wallet up there. Overcome with post-coital bliss, he didn't notice that along with the negotiated cash amount, she also too his debit card and the piece of paper that had his pin written on it.
Now on a serious note, the cell phone camera IR thing isn't going to be how anyone got your PIN. For starters, the temperature variation caused by a quick touch on an ATM keypad won't last long enough to be visible more than a few seconds when you're using something like a firefighter grade thermal imaging camera* and those cheap cell phone attached cameras don't come close to matching that performance.
Just for the sake of fun, let's assume someone did get your 4 digits via IR. That tells them the digits but nothing of the order. Short of a very lucky guess, they're going to hit the retry limit and lock the card.
The way they got your pin is either through simply having someone watch you type it in, having a camera mounted to cover the keypad, or having a skimmer on the ATM.
Just curious, was it a bank ATM?
*source: I train with and use one on a regular basis.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:33 am to PrivatePublic
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But yes, New Orleans blows arse
i would not want to live there but i love nola. i've been i don't know 10 times i guess and i always have a blast, eat and drink and party like a pig, have never feared for my life, people are always nice, etc. i hear all the horror stories but i just don't understand considering my experiences have been fantastic.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:37 am to piggilicious
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i would not want to live there but i love nola. i've been i don't know 10 times i guess and i always have a blast, eat and drink and party like a pig, have never feared for my life, people are always nice, etc. i hear all the horror stories but i just don't understand considering my experiences have been fantastic.
Same. Keep in mind, OP is a redneck asshat
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:46 am to Rebelgator
It's amazing. I'm in New Orleans at least once a month and never run into these problems. If you're going to the quarter, just bring cash and your ID. Past that, don't go wondering around Central City and you have a good time.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:51 am to JustGetItRight
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Just for the sake of fun, let's assume someone did get your 4 digits via IR. That tells them the digits but nothing of the order. Short of a very lucky guess, they're going to hit the retry limit and lock the card.
They get the order from the intensity of the heat. The last pressed button will be the warmest, the first the coolest, and on up the line. There's a good video on youtube where a guy shows how he swiped a PIN from a woman who paid at a register console. He was using a FLIR One. There's nothing on snopes so this is totally legit.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:24 am to PrivatePublic
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They get the order from the intensity of the heat. The last pressed button will be the warmest, the first the coolest, and on up the line. There's a good video on youtube where a guy shows how he swiped a PIN from a woman who paid at a register console. He was using a FLIR One. There's nothing on snopes so this is totally legit.
I've seen some of them. Notice how close the guy doing the demo is and how quickly he shoots the keypad.
He has to do it that quickly because the heat intensity doesn't last long enough for it to work otherwise. By the time you've put your card and cash in your wallet and pocketed your reciept it isn't going to work anymore. Even if you just grab everything and walk right off it will only work if the scammer's right behind you - and if he's that close he doesn't need thermal imaging. He'll just watch what you type.
Hold your hand flat against a wall for a few seconds and the imprint will be very visible for quite some time later (but we're still talking < a minute). Quickly touch a screen or keys and the duration is much, much less.
Also, remember the device is measuring temperature differential. Outside on a warm day and you might not see anything at all due to the lack of difference between the temp of the object touched and the person's body temp. Similarly, the image will stand out longer if the item touched is very cold.
Anyhow, I stand by my statement. Nobody stole a PIN using a thermal imaging camera. They used electronic theft, covert conventional camera, or just plain eyeballs.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:27 am to JustGetItRight
Nobody with FLIR capability is going to be out scamming debit cards IMO.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:31 am to Hardy_Har
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Nobody with FLIR capability is going to be out scamming debit cards IMO.
Anybody with a decent game camera has thermal imaging capacity these days and the devices that attach to smart phones aren't very expensive ($200-$300 range).
If they worked, the people that scam debit cards would be using them for that in a heartbeat. Using OP's loss, they'd have recouped their investment and turned a profit with one successful use.
They aren't using them because they aren't an effective tool for the job.
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:35 am to dead money
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Agree with straws 100% Cash or GTFO. Seriously, electronic fraud seems to happen an assload more lately, and I'm way more comfortable just keeping cash on me than dealing with a situation like that.
Although if a resteraunt waitress/waiter tried to scam me through a bank card, you can be sure as hell, I'm coming back with a vengeance.
I don't think I've met a person yet who hasn't at least had someone attempt to get their card information. I've been robbed once since I've gotten here and lost 50 pesos (at the time it was around 5 bucks, but the dollar is up right now).
Sure as frick haven't lost 700~ in one night.
Really, aside from paying your bills, I can't see why you wouldn't just get cash, put some money in your robbery pocket (that's a real struggle here in Mexico City) and the majority in a safer place -- if you have to walk around/go to parts you're unfamiliar with.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:48 am to JustGetItRight
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They aren't using them because they aren't an effective tool for the job.
FLIR is just a category, and the price / strength has no ceiling on capability right now but I agree the cost for something effective enough to work for that type of thermal footprint wouldn't warrant stealing hundreds of dollars..
Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:29 am to JustGetItRight
No it was an atm in the bar that I got money out of. The one the thief got it from was a gas station ATM
Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:50 am to deltaland
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No it was an atm in the bar that I got money out of. The one the thief got it from was a gas station ATM
I'm sure you know it now, but that's a really, really bad idea. Lots of people around when you're using it and unknown device security, making it easier for someone to compromise it. Even better, a lot of the users are going to be at least somewhat impaired by alcohol. Easy pickings.
The gas station might have video, but there's not a big city police department anywhere that's going to put forth much effort to track down a non-violent ATM scammer - and in NOLA's defense they legitimately have a lot bigger crime to worry about.
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