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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:51 pm
Posted by hipgnosis
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:51 pm
When a plane is going from point A to B, say from New York to Paris why doesn't the plane have to routinaly descend to adjust for the ball shape of the earth?

Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:53 pm to
I'm gonna guess gravity
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:53 pm to
Are you saying the Earth is flat?



You've gone full magma son, never go full magma.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 8:55 pm
Posted by hipgnosis
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:55 pm to
I'm just wondering what's up with that.

Posted by hipgnosis
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:56 pm to
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You've gone full magma son, never go full magma.



Internal laugh.

Posted by genro
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:57 pm to
Well shite.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:59 pm to
quote:

I'm just wondering what's up with that.



I'm assuming gravity. But I don't know.
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:59 pm to
Because they don't fly in a straight line. If you look at a flight path, it curves. The curve mitigates the "curvature of the earth" and allows the plane to assume an altitude without correction.

Sounds like a good explanation, I just pulled that out of my arse.
Posted by Stir of Echoes
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:00 pm to
A flight plan for a long distance flight like that usally calls for an arching flight pattern to adjust for the curvature of the earth. It makes the flight slightly shorter.

example

In the days before GPS navigation, flights from the west coast to asia would actually ride all the way north towards alaska and arch back to the south.

Some still use that type of flight path.
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 9:03 pm
Posted by hipgnosis
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

Because they don't fly in a straight line. If you look at a flight path, it curves. The curve mitigates the "curvature of the earth" and allows the plane to assume an altitude without correction.

Sounds like a good explanation, I just pulled that out of my arse.



Not bad for coming up with that out of nowhere.


Posted by Stir of Echoes
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:05 pm to
He was dead on.

5 points awarded.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:05 pm to
Question has been answered, when do we get to hear about Antarctica?
Posted by hipgnosis
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:07 pm to
Thanks for that.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:16 pm to
Because descent is measured relative to the surface of the earth. If you descend you will hit it. If you are in stable flight where aerodynamic lift balances gravity you will naturally follow the curvature of the earth no matter what path you take.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:29 pm to
quote:

Because descent is measured relative to the surface of the earth. If you descend you will hit it. If you are in stable flight where aerodynamic lift balances gravity you will naturally follow the curvature of the earth no matter what path you take. 
This is the correct answer.

Or as others have said, gravity. It's all relative. This question presumes a plane travels in a straight line into space, tangent of the earth. That would be ascension into space. It doesn't. It travels parallel to the ground directly below. Thus it is constantly "descending" relative to space, by maintaining a constant altitude relative to the earth. Because the earth itself is always "descending"

Flights are naturally curved due to the earth, but the unusual paths you see in transatlantic flights are to hit jet streams. A transatlantic flight westbound (Europe to North America) may actually take an hour or two longer than the return flight of the same exact locations.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 12:22 am
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:35 pm to
quote:

Flights are naturally curved due to the earth, but the unusual paths you see in transantlantic flights are to hit jet streams


This. The fastest I have ever traveled was on a flight from Seoul to Seattle. The pilots caught the jet stream and we had a 140 mph tailwind. The plane hit a top speed of 741 mph, just shy of the sound barrier.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

but the unusual paths you see in transantlantic flights are to hit jet streams.
Not entirely. The shortest physical distance between two points on the surface of a sphere is called a great circle which looks like it curves a lot to the north (in the northern hemisphere) when drawn on a flat map
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:55 pm to
My last flight from the US to Europe was fricking quick.


Thanks jet stream.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 4/6/15 at 9:56 pm to
I acknowledged that they were curved due to the earth. However a flight between two southern locations, say Atlanta and Rome may look very unusual because it will travel in the sub-Arctic, along the same path as a NY-London flight, to catch the jetstream
This post was edited on 4/6/15 at 9:58 pm
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 7:46 am to
Because they do not fly a straight line from A to B. Duh
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