At this point, which liberty is more important?

Nothing that should have stopped it?

He was on the federal terrorist watch list and also a no fly list. If that is not grounds for prohibiting from buying an assault rifle then I don't know what could ever be.

He was able to, of course, due to intense lobbying by the NRA to block any reasonable gun control laws from being put into place.

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He was able to, of course, due to intense lobbying by the NRA to block any reasonable gun control laws from being put into place.

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I pay very little attention to politics and all of this stuff. However, I saw a clip of Obama saying that organizations like the NRA (may not have been the NRA, but someone similar) even lobby organizations like the CDC from studying possible solutions to make guns/gun laws safer, similar to how we've worked to reduce vehicular deaths. IF that is true, then that is unacceptable.

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I pay very little attention to politics and all of this stuff. However, I saw a clip of Obama saying that organizations like the NRA (may not have been the NRA, but someone similar) even lobby organizations like the CDC from studying possible solutions to make guns/gun laws safer, similar to how we've worked to reduce vehicular deaths. IF that is true, then that is unacceptable.

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Here are my views on the matter. While it is tragic that this has happened, the original intent of the 2nd Amendment was to provide the citizens the means to protect themselves from oppressive government. How can we do that with single shot rifles and shotguns? You can't. I'd sooner address the moral decay in our country than deprive the citizenry their God given right to defend themselves. With our system, there will be incidents like this one in Orlando. I guess I'll just have to accept that, but there is no way the answer can be to take from us the only reasonable means we have to protect ourselves from our government.

Look at what the government has done knowing that we have guns. You now have to purchase inferior health care insurance under the threat of excessive fines. They use the IRS to punish political allies. They're destroying the solvency of this country....just imagine what they'll do if you have no reasonable means to effect change.

if it wasnt a gun, it would have been a bomb or something more horrific.

listening to Hillary this morning on the Today show with her bullshite facts and numbers sent me into a little rage. I had to turn off the TV

They only want to focus on the gun.

If he didn't have a gun, he would have had a pressure cooker, a coke can, a bottle, it doesn't matter. Someone who wants to hurt us is going to find a way.

The thing is, a gun is easier to see than a bomb strapped to ones self, or a trunk loaded with explosives. At least with a gun, people have a fighting chance. The other alternatives, the police only show up to pick up limbs and it is a week before bodies are identified by family members after it is all recovered from rubble.

I posted it in another thread, but it is worth repeating here.

The entire AR-15 thing is simply a red herring. Fewer than 400 people are murdered with long guns of ALL types - (tacticool rifles, shotguns, deer rifles, .22 squirrel guns, etc) every year in the US. If you suddenly, magically caused every single black rifle to disappear you'd have 0 impact on the murder rate and 0 impact on mass shooting events.

Let's say he had an AR with a large capacity magazine. A couple of semi-auto pistols give him the same initial ammunition load and at the ranges he was firing, would be just as deadly. If anything they'd be more effective because they'd be easier to bring to bear in a crowded environment.

So let's get rid of all semi-auto handguns. Poof, they're gone. A 12-gauge 00 Buckshot shotgun shell holds 9 roughly 8 mm pellets and pump shotguns hold an initial load of 5-8 shells - meaning that weapon fires 45-72 projectiles (each larger than the 5.56mm round fired by the AR).

So let's get rid of all pump and semi-automatic shotguns. Poof, they're gone. While we're poofing, throw in deer rifles because they will defeat any body armor used by LE.

Now you're down to revolvers, single shot or double barrel shotguns, and .22 plinkers.

Welcome to Mexico.

Oh, and the NRA thing (and for the record I am not a member) is also just a gun-grabber red herring. They do not oppose the development of smart gun technology - and the CDC actually did a research project on defensive gun use a couple of years ago. I strongly encourage you to look it up. You won't find it on too many MSM sites because what the found doesn't fit the anti-gun agenda.

Then maybe they should ease off the lobbying and let the people that are good at studying this shite do their job.

If it wasn't a gun....

Dumbest fricking deflection ever

IT WAS A GUN!

Here we have a man on the federal terror watch list now down 50 people with a LEGALLY OBTAINED assault rifle and these gun zealots flat out refuse to even entertain the possibility that we might have a problem. fricking drives me nuts.

All this, of course, based off a outdated, bastardized, misinterpreted amendment. A "liberty" they hold higher than any other. Regardless of outcomes it's "my right" to fill out my armory the way I see fit. fricking bizarro world, man.

Well, it's harder to get enough bomb materials to cause as much carnage as the gun did in Orlando. Someone starts buying enough explosives to do what Tim McVeigh did, and the FBI is swooping in on them with a quickness. The Boston Marathon bomb only killed 3 people, and it detonated in a very crowded area, and if I remember right the FBI had been tipped off to some of their purchases.