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This is why some kids don't go to Mizzou!!!
Posted on 11/8/15 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 11/8/15 at 5:40 pm
Amongst all the crap going on in Boone County this crap has come to life again at my school of graduation in 1981.
Kim English tweeted earlier that the well known(star players) African American players were the only ones welcomed to places like Harpos without incident or being made to fill unwelcomed.
Kim English ? @Englishscope24
If U were black at my alma mater, and ur name was not Maclin, Denmon, Pressey, English, Weatherspoon, Carroll, etc. You didn't feel welcome
Then I read this:
Steve Walentik ? @Steve_Walentik
Am standing at the Carnahan Quad and two trucks just drove by, including one waving a confederate battle flag and an American flag.
Retweeted by Pete Scantlebury
Kim English tweeted earlier that the well known(star players) African American players were the only ones welcomed to places like Harpos without incident or being made to fill unwelcomed.
Kim English ? @Englishscope24
If U were black at my alma mater, and ur name was not Maclin, Denmon, Pressey, English, Weatherspoon, Carroll, etc. You didn't feel welcome
Then I read this:
Steve Walentik ? @Steve_Walentik
Am standing at the Carnahan Quad and two trucks just drove by, including one waving a confederate battle flag and an American flag.
Retweeted by Pete Scantlebury
Posted on 11/8/15 at 5:42 pm to Zou brownmajic
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Kim English tweeted earlier that the well known(star players) African American players were the only ones welcomed to places like Harpos without incident or being made to fill unwelcomed.
So he didn't accept free food from Harpos? Weird. Could've sworn he did.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 5:47 pm to the808bass
typical Boone Co. response.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:46 pm to reedus23
I think reedus is trying to get a point across. Pejoratives are hurtful, and the more they're used the more hurtful and uncomfortable they become. White people have a hard time understanding because there isn't a comparable term.
If it's making us uncomfortable to have the term used...maybe that's the point.
If it's making us uncomfortable to have the term used...maybe that's the point.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:47 pm to Zou brownmajic
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typical Boone Co. response
Logic is painful.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:08 pm to Zou brownmajic
Everything English said is, frankly, bullshite. From my personal experience anyway. Anytime I've been to a downtown bar, which is plenty, Ive NEVER seen one racially tense moment. Of the many black kids I saw there, I can't recall a single incident where I thought they were being treated unjustly. Quite the opposite if I'm being honest. Athletes AND regular students.
As for the Walljasper tweet. When a line is drawn in the sand, which it clearly has been. It's going to bring out the extremists on both sides. Is that really that hard to grasp for some of you? Some random fool (who may not even be a student) waives a confederate flag and that's a reason kids don't go to Mizzou?
Seriously, GTFO with this shite. They don't go to Mizzou because there are some racists there? Which racially harmonic garden of Eden do they attend instead?
Do tell
As for the Walljasper tweet. When a line is drawn in the sand, which it clearly has been. It's going to bring out the extremists on both sides. Is that really that hard to grasp for some of you? Some random fool (who may not even be a student) waives a confederate flag and that's a reason kids don't go to Mizzou?
Seriously, GTFO with this shite. They don't go to Mizzou because there are some racists there? Which racially harmonic garden of Eden do they attend instead?
Do tell
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:18 pm to JesusQuintana
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Everything English said is, frankly, bullshite.
You're right. A guy who has bled black and gold, even after his career was over, is lying and just making up shite to, well, I haven't quite figured out why he's making up this shite but he is.
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From my personal experience anyway. Anytime I've been to a downtown bar, which is plenty, Ive NEVER seen one racially tense moment. Of the many black kids I saw there, I can't recall a single incident where I thought they were being treated unjustly. Quite the opposite if I'm being honest. Athletes AND regular students.
It took my daughter less than a month to be shocked by the overt racism. Consider yourself fortunate I suppose.
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As for the Walljasper tweet. When a line is drawn in the sand, which it clearly has been. It's going to bring out the extremists on both sides.
I agree it'll just get worse, but don't act like that truck wasn't driving down the road before all this crap too.
I think some of the demands are straight foolish. I think the way some protesters act is even more foolish. But the only thing just as foolish is the attempt to try make it out that COMO is free of racists. No place is. Which is why it sounds foolish.
And yes, that's been one of the reasons Mizzou hasn't gotten kids out of STL in the past. It's always been viewed as having a problem with race.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:31 pm to reedus23
If you haven't figured out why he's saying these things now then I can't help you do it.
I have to wonder though, why has he never said anything before? Why just now when the mob is forming? He's certainly never spoke his mind before right? If his people didn't feel safe walking through campus then why didn't he say anything then?
I have to wonder though, why has he never said anything before? Why just now when the mob is forming? He's certainly never spoke his mind before right? If his people didn't feel safe walking through campus then why didn't he say anything then?
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:33 pm to JesusQuintana
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If you haven't figured out why he's saying these things now then I can't help you do it.
Educate me. I don't know why.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:06 pm to reedus23
Herd mentality, or mob mentality, describes how people are influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors, follow trends, and/or purchase items. Examples of the herd mentality include stock market trends, superstition and home décor.
Or, in other instances, social activism and behavior
Or, in other instances, social activism and behavior
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:08 pm to Zou brownmajic
I was a student in the mid to late 90s. What I saw was systemic segregation by black students. For every organization there was a black students' counterpart. There was a segregated dining section imposed by the black students in the commons. Our attempts to rush black friends, guys that were friends in high school, were undermined by black fraternities. There is a real race problem at Mizzou,and it is being caused by racist black students.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:10 pm to JesusQuintana
Well with PM almost coming apart at the seems right now, I thought I'd come here and check things out. Much saner here.
To answer your question Jesus, the best I can gather is that it is complicated as these things usually are. So I'll start by saying, I believe he or others have been saying things for some time now but Wolfe has failed to make things better and it has escalated to this point. I believe that's why they are calling for his head and the hunger strike was started. There were other incidents leading up to it but it's basically a culmination of things building up.
I agree, Wolfe has to go and some others as well and they will know who they are. To not do much of anything is as bad as actually doing what ever has been done in my book. It allows discourse and unlawfulness by standing by and doing much of nothing. But getting rid of Wolfe is not waving a magic wand. It's not an easy fix. It's going to take time. That's what these kids need to understand. One thing is finding Wolfe's replacement. They are also trying to change a culture and that's probably the biggest challenge.
In the same breath, I also feel that from a standpoint of the players, I understand their motivation for boycotting a game or the season. But, what stronger point could you make than on national TV standing united as a team? They to me have the moral obligation to play the game as a team and demonstrate to the country that racism will not stop them. That they are there to support equality. They should play the game, and use it to their advantage. To not play the game takes them out of the publics eye. They should play the game.
To answer your question Jesus, the best I can gather is that it is complicated as these things usually are. So I'll start by saying, I believe he or others have been saying things for some time now but Wolfe has failed to make things better and it has escalated to this point. I believe that's why they are calling for his head and the hunger strike was started. There were other incidents leading up to it but it's basically a culmination of things building up.
I agree, Wolfe has to go and some others as well and they will know who they are. To not do much of anything is as bad as actually doing what ever has been done in my book. It allows discourse and unlawfulness by standing by and doing much of nothing. But getting rid of Wolfe is not waving a magic wand. It's not an easy fix. It's going to take time. That's what these kids need to understand. One thing is finding Wolfe's replacement. They are also trying to change a culture and that's probably the biggest challenge.
In the same breath, I also feel that from a standpoint of the players, I understand their motivation for boycotting a game or the season. But, what stronger point could you make than on national TV standing united as a team? They to me have the moral obligation to play the game as a team and demonstrate to the country that racism will not stop them. That they are there to support equality. They should play the game, and use it to their advantage. To not play the game takes them out of the publics eye. They should play the game.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:21 pm to jafo
I disagree that Wolffe should go. I don't understand what he was supposed to do. Is he supposed to personally police the campus ridding it of any racists? Hold a candlelight vigil every time someone drops the n word? He's being made out to be a scapegoat for very common issues that are not inherent to Mizzou. They are inherent to humans. I don't support racially divisive tactics and anyone who believes they will help create equality is, frankly, dumb as a box of rocks. The insistence on white shaming The Wolffe pisses me off. I am so sick of this bullshite I can't even put into words how much it bothers me.
All that being said, I selfishly hope Wolffe steps down Monday and we hire a black president only for the sole purpose of shutting these race baiters the frick up for a little while. I've had enough.
I don't see any other course of action other than to succumb to the extortion. Sadly
All that being said, I selfishly hope Wolffe steps down Monday and we hire a black president only for the sole purpose of shutting these race baiters the frick up for a little while. I've had enough.
I don't see any other course of action other than to succumb to the extortion. Sadly
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:33 pm to JesusQuintana
So the mob mentality would go so far as to make Kim make up lies just so he can join the mob? And you know that he hasn't witnessed black people being treated differently than white people how?
I have no doubt that there is a lot of mob mentality going on but I also have no doubt that some instances and some statements are nothing but accurate.
I have no doubt that there is a lot of mob mentality going on but I also have no doubt that some instances and some statements are nothing but accurate.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:36 pm to JesusQuintana
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All that being said, I selfishly hope Wolffe steps down Monday and we hire a black president only for the sole purpose of shutting these race baiters the frick up for a little while. I've had enough.
That worked with the country, right?
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:38 pm to Aux Arc
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There is a real race problem at Mizzou,and it is being caused by racist black students.
I agreed with the first part of your comment because I do take issue with how such groups create divisiveness but you completely lost me here. Are you saying that white people are only racist because of exclusively black organizations or are you saying white people in COMO simply aren't racist and it's only black people? Either one sounds kind of dumb so I'm sure there's a third option I'm just not coming up with.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:44 pm to JesusQuintana
Meh, I wouldn't succumb to them. I'd only let Wolfe go if he mishandled anything and I haven't cared enough to read up on it to know if he did. I doubt anyone on this board even knows if he has. We only know what is publicly available.
I think demanding his resignation is foolishness but I also think that denying there is an issue and denying that there can't be some steps taken to help reduce the problems is also foolish.
I think demanding his resignation is foolishness but I also think that denying there is an issue and denying that there can't be some steps taken to help reduce the problems is also foolish.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:47 pm to reedus23
Some white people are racist, but the vast majority today aren't. The new segregating is a black phenomenon. It is the major cause of racial animosity on campus. Creating a black students counterpart to existing organizations is counterproductive to the goal of racial cohesion.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 9:12 pm to Aux Arc
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Some white people are racist, but the vast majority today aren't. The new segregating is a black phenomenon. It is the major cause of racial animosity on campus. Creating a black students counterpart to existing organizations is counterproductive to the goal of racial cohesion.
Agree with all but the bold.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 6:45 am to JesusQuintana
bullshite. Wolfe has fricked up by not being transparent with his actions or lack of. Not been out in front of racial issues. The guy just shoved the problems to the back burner and now they're on fire. Not to mention that by not doing anything, he aids the ability to have a racially charged environment and or culture among faculty also. It always lies just below the surface, you don't always see it but it's there.
You have an entire football team walking out puting there scholarships on the line. You have a head coach puting his job on the line supporting his players, probably for personal reasons more than campus politics but he's right there. He was in the meeting with his players. You have a large part of the student body calling for Wolfe to be removed. There is obviously some real shite going on here.
I don't doubt that there is reverse discrimination going on. It's been around for as long as there has been discrimination. Nor do I think the list of demands is totally realistic. People would have to be let go, careers would be lost to make room for minority filled positions. But, you have to start at some point equaling things out. It has to paid attention to and even if you don't give a shite inside, you at least have to act like you give a damn. If you don't, it's basically an elitist mantality and you create and harbour a hostile environment by doing little to nothing.
You have an entire football team walking out puting there scholarships on the line. You have a head coach puting his job on the line supporting his players, probably for personal reasons more than campus politics but he's right there. He was in the meeting with his players. You have a large part of the student body calling for Wolfe to be removed. There is obviously some real shite going on here.
I don't doubt that there is reverse discrimination going on. It's been around for as long as there has been discrimination. Nor do I think the list of demands is totally realistic. People would have to be let go, careers would be lost to make room for minority filled positions. But, you have to start at some point equaling things out. It has to paid attention to and even if you don't give a shite inside, you at least have to act like you give a damn. If you don't, it's basically an elitist mantality and you create and harbour a hostile environment by doing little to nothing.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 6:46 am
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