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The Impact of S&T on Mizzou
Posted on 8/5/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/5/17 at 12:37 pm
I'd like to discuss the impact that S&T has had on Mizzou.
I believe that having a separate school, which is focused on STEM, hurts MU. It lowers the amount of research done by the flagship, the types & amount of students that attend Mizzou, and the prestige that the University would have had if these areas of focus were not diverted away.
In states that have a larger population base (California, Georgia, etc.) or states that have a long established academic history (Virginia, Massachusetts, etc) to draw outside students the strategy of having a separate STEM school is feasible and possibly a benefit. However, when a state has neither of those things it becomes a hindrance.
If the focus were to be magically shifted to Mizzou today (not that this would ever happen now), than MU would match-up nicely against any school in the B1G and would be in the top-tier of the SEC.
Thoughts?
I believe that having a separate school, which is focused on STEM, hurts MU. It lowers the amount of research done by the flagship, the types & amount of students that attend Mizzou, and the prestige that the University would have had if these areas of focus were not diverted away.
In states that have a larger population base (California, Georgia, etc.) or states that have a long established academic history (Virginia, Massachusetts, etc) to draw outside students the strategy of having a separate STEM school is feasible and possibly a benefit. However, when a state has neither of those things it becomes a hindrance.
If the focus were to be magically shifted to Mizzou today (not that this would ever happen now), than MU would match-up nicely against any school in the B1G and would be in the top-tier of the SEC.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 8/5/17 at 12:39 pm to SEC. 593
Just for reference I received both my Undergrad and Graduate degrees from Mizzou, and completed Post-grad work at a B1G school.
I also have nothing against S&T, as I have had a number of colleagues and a brother graduate from there.
I also have nothing against S&T, as I have had a number of colleagues and a brother graduate from there.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 2:50 pm to SEC. 593
With our current president, you're whistling past the graveyard. He has signaled pretty clearly that he's not pouring new money into Engineering at the Columbia campus when we have a great engineering school just down the road.
Just think what Indiana could do if they shut down Purdue.
Just think what Indiana could do if they shut down Purdue.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 3:17 pm to the808bass
That is actually why I started this thread.
I don't see the comparison as absolutely congruent. Purdue and Indiana were both established around the same time and were allowed to flourish without subtracting from the other.
Rolla went to a new strategy in the 60s which directly led to less resources going into MU.
The question was more around if this strategy was the correct one?
I don't see the comparison as absolutely congruent. Purdue and Indiana were both established around the same time and were allowed to flourish without subtracting from the other.
Rolla went to a new strategy in the 60s which directly led to less resources going into MU.
The question was more around if this strategy was the correct one?
Posted on 8/5/17 at 7:32 pm to SEC. 593
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Posted on 8/5/17 at 7:43 pm to SEC. 593
A decade ago a buddy of mine was going to Rolla for engineering. He was told it was better to go to Columbia for that nowadays. I don't know if the S&T in Missouri is any better than the flagship.
I do think it is good to have a S&T school for people who want a more serious campus though. Helps weed out the liberal art students, etc...
I do think it is good to have a S&T school for people who want a more serious campus though. Helps weed out the liberal art students, etc...
Posted on 8/5/17 at 8:27 pm to zatetic
Rolla still has a very good reputation. It's in the top 20 public engineering schools.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 11:40 am to the808bass
I wasn't intending on saying it was bad. He went to Rolla for a year and Rolla advised him to go to Columbia for engineering.
They could have said that because MU was buying up universities in those days and changing things. Maybe they thought engineering was going to be stripped or less funded at Rolla... idk. With the chatter I was wondering what was going to happen to Rolla.
They could have said that because MU was buying up universities in those days and changing things. Maybe they thought engineering was going to be stripped or less funded at Rolla... idk. With the chatter I was wondering what was going to happen to Rolla.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 2:06 pm to zatetic
Take away engineering from Rolla and you basically don't have a school.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 5:14 pm to SEC. 593
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I believe that having a separate school, which is focused on STEM, hurts MU. It lowers the amount of research done by the flagship, the types & amount of students that attend Mizzou, and the prestige that the University would have had if these areas of focus were not diverted away.
Agreed.
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In states that have a larger population base (California, Georgia, etc.) or states that have a long established academic history (Virginia, Massachusetts, etc) to draw outside students the strategy of having a separate STEM school is feasible and possibly a benefit. However, when a state has neither of those things it becomes a hindrance.
I'm not so sure about that, but we have neither the population or existing prestige to warrant a 2nd major university.
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If the focus were to be magically shifted to Mizzou today (not that this would ever happen now), than MU would match-up nicely against any school in the B1G
Which should be the goal. We are a part of the B1G and Friends. We should strive to keep up and get back on par with the B1G schools academically (minus Nebraska)
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would be in the top-tier of the SEC
Engineering or overall? But there is little reason why we shouldn't be able to up our game to about 3rd overall in the SEC (behind Vanderbilt and Florida).
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Thoughts?
S&T is a good idea in theory, but harms MU when put into action. I know most on this board are SEC!SEC! all the way, but when it comes to making our university stronger, we should be looking toward the B1G. We are shooting ourselves in the foot, rankings and research dollars-wise, by having S&T compete with Mizzou for both students and faculty in engineering.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:19 pm to 5thTiger
Or Mizzou isn't as good as S&T in engineering and it makes more sense for the system to let Rolla do that.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:38 pm to zatetic
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Rolla advised him to go to Columbia for engineering.
I'll call your bluff on that...
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