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The defense is a mess
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:03 pm
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The players are resisting the scheme. They aren't executing the scheme. Seems like it's a lot more complicated and it's causing our guys to play slow. The coaches are either not teaching it well enough or not doing a good enough job to get the guys to buy in. The DC is becoming frustrated with it. Seems to be a lot of infighting and butting of heads.
I can sense the frustration from the players and I honestly don't blame them. It has to be frustrating to have someone ask you to change what you've been having a lot of success with. It's not that the scheme design isn't sound, but the execution of it has been very poor and that's on the players and coaches. I just don't like it. It's not who we are and seems like a very poor fit and very poor timing.
The players are resisting the scheme. They aren't executing the scheme. Seems like it's a lot more complicated and it's causing our guys to play slow. The coaches are either not teaching it well enough or not doing a good enough job to get the guys to buy in. The DC is becoming frustrated with it. Seems to be a lot of infighting and butting of heads.
I can sense the frustration from the players and I honestly don't blame them. It has to be frustrating to have someone ask you to change what you've been having a lot of success with. It's not that the scheme design isn't sound, but the execution of it has been very poor and that's on the players and coaches. I just don't like it. It's not who we are and seems like a very poor fit and very poor timing.
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Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:17 pm to JesusQuintana
Sounds pretty normal for a new scheme, especially a difficult one
quote:definitely can agree with that
The thing that hurt us most this past week was tackling in my opinion. It had nothing to do with scheme or calls.”
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:26 pm to MIZ_COU
I don't know if it's normal. I kind of doubt this level of dissension is normal and if I'm questioning "why in the frick are we doing this?!" then I can definitely see where the players are thinking the same thing.
I'm reading a lot into this, but I'm just not impressed with Cross. It's not even the results. He seems to like to deflect blame quite a bit.
I'm just getting a real uneasy feeling about this whole situation the more I hear these guys talking about it. Hopefully I'm overreacting.
I'm reading a lot into this, but I'm just not impressed with Cross. It's not even the results. He seems to like to deflect blame quite a bit.
I'm just getting a real uneasy feeling about this whole situation the more I hear these guys talking about it. Hopefully I'm overreacting.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:29 pm to JesusQuintana
DeMontie Cross: “We’ve got to earn the right to rush the passer, and right now, we haven’t defended the run, in my opinion, well enough ...
What?
What?
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:51 pm to JesusQuintana
I can respect that they're trying to build a real fortress. A truly sound defense that isn't reliant on high risk pass rushing.
The truth is many of these DLmen who have gone to the league weren't anything special, they just benefited from the system.
Harris and others wanted the gravy train to keep running. Millions are at stake for him. Of course he wants those inflated stats.
Mark me down as someone who is willing to go through some growing pains to build this defense with a strong true foundation instead of a flash 'n dash brand.
Anyone can see how the offense's new system needs to be tuned. It's got to be the same thing going on with the defense.
Calm down.
The truth is many of these DLmen who have gone to the league weren't anything special, they just benefited from the system.
Harris and others wanted the gravy train to keep running. Millions are at stake for him. Of course he wants those inflated stats.
Mark me down as someone who is willing to go through some growing pains to build this defense with a strong true foundation instead of a flash 'n dash brand.
Anyone can see how the offense's new system needs to be tuned. It's got to be the same thing going on with the defense.
Calm down.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:59 pm to JesusQuintana
Makes sense to me. Defend your gap against the run b4 you rush the passer. That's always been this D's weakness, especially when we go up against very good teams. I like it a lot more than just turn them lose and hopefully we are faster and strong enough to get there.
So far I like errthing this staff is trying to do. It's not going to be easy changing an entire culture, but I think they get there. They are thinking long term. They don't want to get to championship games, they want to win championship games.
So far I like errthing this staff is trying to do. It's not going to be easy changing an entire culture, but I think they get there. They are thinking long term. They don't want to get to championship games, they want to win championship games.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 12:02 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:06 am to Supreme Tiger
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The truth is many of these DLmen who have gone to the league weren't anything special, they just benefited from the system
I don't know if happened to watch the super bowl but Kony Ealy was amazing and would have been MVP if panthers had won. And Shane Ray looked great too in that game.
Cross is pulling the same shite as Henson and ricker last year. "We are going to do a new system on the OL and eventually they will learn it". Cross is using the same bullshite line to institute his brilliant close the gap system. Only, it is not working.
This stubbornness is the arrogance of Coordinator's who are trying to prove their theory of defensive strategy. problem is it's just academic if the skill set of the players has proven to work in another system.
Cross- stop trying to work your theories into a HC job for you next season and let our defense loose to do what they do.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:08 am to pauliebleaker
If fans were coaches we would be so fuked
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:09 am to Supreme Tiger
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The truth is many of these DLmen who have gone to the league weren't anything special, they just benefited from the system.
That's not accurate.
Inflated stats? Do you not realize how much a sack or TFL hampers a drive? Flash and dash? Build a solid foundation? We HAD a solid foundation. We HAD an identity and we HAD results. Now, thus far anyway, we have a below average unit with a ton of infighting and we've lost our identity. This is something that quietly bothered me all offseason and my fears are coming to fruition.
The offense is the opposite case, it was flat awful last year and not very good the year before. Obviously something had to change and now the unit that had pretty much no proven returners is ahead of the one that had a ton of them. That's an issue. Tinkering with things that are not broke just isn't a sound strategy.
If we hadn't changed defensive philosophy how do you think this group of players would be performing right now? I'd have to wager a large sum that we'd be getting much better results.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:13 am to JesusQuintana
X2 JQ
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:16 am to MIZ_COU
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That's always been this D's weakness
Again, not accurate.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:21 am to JesusQuintana
It's accurate if you look at bad gap control against Navy and Auburn and how both teams exposed our lack of gap control. Believe me this is Odom's defense with a touch of Cross on it.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 6:19 am to Zou brownmajic
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It's accurate if you look at bad gap control against Navy and Auburn and how both teams exposed our lack of gap control
This is exactly what happened.
I'm worried but not panicking like some here.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 6:28 am to pauliebleaker
It's the same system Odom wanted to implement, so your anger should be directed at him, as well.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 7:07 am to JesusQuintana
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Again, not accurate.
It is accurate when looking at the losses that left most fans wanting to set their hair on fire. Those losses were predicated around neutralizing the defensive line. They took that out of the equation and what was left? A very soft Tampa 2 because the DC could be counted on sending extra bodies after the pocket. That's when the draws, screens and wheel routes came out and teams walked the ball down field.
Could every team to that? No, but the ones with comparable or better overall talent have had no issues doing so.
We won't even discuss the game vs Navy.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 7:17 am to Wtodd
You can't cherry pick games. So far, this run first defense is the worst run defense we've had since coming to the SEC. Small sample size, I know, but that's what it is. We've been in the top half of the SEC in run D every year but 1 and last year we were #2. So no, it's completely inaccurate to state that our run D has "always been a problem" far from it, actually.
And actually, if you look at the Auburn game that's not what happened at all. We scrapped the defense we had been running all year in favor of a read scheme and it cost us the chance at a national title.
And actually, if you look at the Auburn game that's not what happened at all. We scrapped the defense we had been running all year in favor of a read scheme and it cost us the chance at a national title.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 7:20 am to JesusQuintana
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You can't cherry pick games.
When those games are the ones you have to win to get to the CCG or NCG, yes, you can cherry pick them because they are the ones that matter. No one cares about steam rolling Iowa State. Letting Roy Helu set a school record with the division on the line is unacceptable.
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Small sample size
Would you like to guess the YPG rushing allowed during those cherry picked losses?
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 7:27 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 7:26 am to navynuke
There is a little bit of difference in going back the last 4 years and picking out a couple games and going off of the first two games this year because...well it's the only sample we have.
And again, these problems are beyond results. The results are poor, of course, but it's more about the players and coaches butting heads here. We've lost our teeth.
And again, these problems are beyond results. The results are poor, of course, but it's more about the players and coaches butting heads here. We've lost our teeth.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 7:29 am to JesusQuintana
Jesus I'm not cherry picking games; I just responded & agreed with another poster on the Navy & Auburn games about gap control.
Gap control in our 1st 2 games hasn't been good but neither has our tackling and we've had too many defensive penalties. All 3 can be fixed fairly easy but it takes discipline from the D guys. We have the talent, now we need the execution and all will be well in Zou land.
Gap control in our 1st 2 games hasn't been good but neither has our tackling and we've had too many defensive penalties. All 3 can be fixed fairly easy but it takes discipline from the D guys. We have the talent, now we need the execution and all will be well in Zou land.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 7:35 am to Wtodd
And again, I'm not stating the new scheme is poor in principle or the coaches are stupid for wanting to run it. I don't like it and I think it's a very poor fit for us specifically since our identity was based on disruption, but that wasn't the point of the OP.
The point about the defense being a mess was the infighting between players and coaches.
The point about the defense being a mess was the infighting between players and coaches.
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