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Lock's redshirt

Posted on 9/6/15 at 3:27 pm
Posted by tobythetiger
Missouri
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Posted on 9/6/15 at 3:27 pm
Seemed to be a controversial thing to the color commentator yesterday. Doesn't appear to be so too much in the fanbase though. Seems like a no brainer-by not redshirting him we are going to get more, not less, time from him. If he's here past three years I'll eat my digital shorts. Why waste one on a redshirt?

In addition, if you redshirted him, you are almost certainly only going to get one year as a starter with him. Without it, it's very possible he takes over next year and you get two.

GP did the absolute right thing.
This post was edited on 9/6/15 at 3:29 pm
Posted by Wet Works
Anywhere the money be
Member since Sep 2015
627 posts
Posted on 9/6/15 at 4:09 pm to
It don't matter no modem I don't agree with the decision but youre just wrong to flat out say a freshman qb won't be here in 3 years and to say if he RS he only starts one...

This is the urban legend for locks tenure. Of he only stays 3 Then everyone beats their chest. If he is here 4 then he sucks. If he doesn't start next year, Pinkel is clueless.

Literally if he is only here 3 years. A shite load of stuff has to happen for him to get more than one year as a starter. You guys just think it's easy to unseat a senior QB with 20+ wins for a sophomore. You might do it, in PlayStation. This isn't PlayStation though.

Right now if Lock is the sure fire nfl pick and is gone in three years, he is still guaranteed only one year to start. Same situation you're saying makes no sense to RS him because he would only have one year as a starter
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 9/6/15 at 5:02 pm to
You can't redshirt the best QB on the team. It's pretty simple.
Posted by Wet Works
Anywhere the money be
Member since Sep 2015
627 posts
Posted on 9/6/15 at 5:08 pm to
Like I said it doesn't matter anymore..

But why can't you? Because not getting 2 series a game would stunt his growth somehow?
Posted by Wet Works
Anywhere the money be
Member since Sep 2015
627 posts
Posted on 9/6/15 at 5:12 pm to
Also UCLA properly uses the best QB on their team.

If Lock is the best, he isn't starting so best man plays doesn't apply?
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 9/6/15 at 5:33 pm to
Lots of questions here, but here goes...

You can't redshirt him because he needs game time action if Mauk goes down. Also, yes, playing in actual games does further your development. Of course.

It's much harder to make a switch at QB than any other position. So yes, I believe they are trying to play the best players based on their evaluations. Not at QB though.
Posted by tobythetiger
Missouri
Member since Oct 2013
428 posts
Posted on 9/6/15 at 5:35 pm to
You're only likely to have one year as a starter either way. But I think he has a better shot at unseating Mauk next year this way than if he redshirted. Again, you're going to get the most out of his time here without the redshirt. This way you get 3 years of on field production rather than only two with a redshirt. The absolute longest the kid will be on the roster is 4 years. Pretty much a no brainer, like I said.

Nice to have a starter quality backup. Even if he only gets one year as the starter either way, you've gotten two backup years also. Instead of one, with one year not getting anything on the field from him. Last I looked 2>1.
Posted by BurgTiger
Member since Feb 2014
2766 posts
Posted on 9/6/15 at 8:57 pm to
It's the GP way. He wants to win and Lock's development is pivotal if Mauk goes down and in 2016. Remember Mauk was injured last year but played through it. Lock will jump right in of Matty gets banged up. I also think playing him is another recruiting tool for kids. Playing all these freshmen will only help recruiting. "You are a great player, and if you earn it you will be playing next season in the Zou."
Posted by Tigersessed
Member since Feb 2012
498 posts
Posted on 9/6/15 at 9:38 pm to
I view it as the coaching staff thinks Lock has a chance to win the starting job this year or will be the starter next year at the latest. Otherwise they wouldn't burn his RS prior to an injury. Pinkel will play the best player and Lock could very well be the best player once he learns the playbook. He only had 20 practices, if he had enrolled early he may have won the starting job already.
Posted by IlliniBuck
Member since Apr 2015
189 posts
Posted on 9/6/15 at 9:47 pm to
BYU already lost a starting qb and Ohio State was starting their 3rd stringer by the end of the season last year.

It was a tough choice for the staff but I can see the logic . Any of the quarterbacks on the roster are only 1 or 2 plays away from being the starter.





Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19236 posts
Posted on 9/7/15 at 5:51 am to
quote:

GP did the absolute right thing.


I could have gone either way on it, but yes. Pinkel made the right call.

Playing Lock now is a plus for the 2015 team, a plus for his readiness to produce from Day One as a starter, and a plus for recruiting high end athletes who want play immediately.

Everyone assumes Lock will want to leave after 2017, yet nobody mentions attending Missouri was the fulfillment of a life-long dream. Then he remained loyal when some of the glamour boy coaches tried to poach him.

I could easily see him remaining loyal to his teammates and goal of winning an SEC championship at Mizzou.
Posted by tobythetiger
Missouri
Member since Oct 2013
428 posts
Posted on 9/7/15 at 8:04 am to
quote:

Everyone assumes Lock will want to leave after 2017, yet nobody mentions attending Missouri was the fulfillment of a life-long dream. Then he remained loyal when some of the glamour boy coaches tried to poach him. I could easily see him remaining loyal to his teammates and goal of winning an SEC championship at Mizzou


Well, the longest I can see him staying is through the 2018 season. Just don't see the kid turning his back on the NFL $$$ more than once.
Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
15229 posts
Posted on 9/7/15 at 8:16 am to
I will let you guys figure out whether it was a good idea on the redshirt issue. Now that he has played, here is how I would go about it, which means nothing I know.

I like Mauk and his big play ability. The starting job is his to lose. What I don't like about him is his lack of technique sometimes, and more times than not, it's all or nothing with him. We have way too many 3 and out's or very short lived drives with him. That has to change, he wears the defense out by not taking much time off the clock and letting them rest. The defense seems to be our strength and needs to be fresh as possible especially when we hit conference play.

Lock will play sparingly as this seems to be Pinkies proven gameplan. However, if I see Mauk continually struggle to put together time consuming drives and Lock shows he can, a decision needs to be made sooner than later. If Lock is truly the better QB (which I believe he is, just lacks the college experience) and shows he can listen to the coaches and run the gameplan to the teams benefit, he becomes the starting QB.

Again, I like Mauk, wish him the best, and hope it doesn't come down to this during the season. However, if he shows the most he can do is throw the long ball, which essentially takes half our offense away, the better route is to go with the QB who can utilize the whole offense in a more balanced attack. Mauk has shown he can do this on occasion, but on occasion isn't good enough when you have a stud young QB that can do it consistently.

There is no doubt who the QB of the future is. In the past, we really had no option after Mauk, we do now, and if he loses his starting job, it's his own damn fault. He has the ability to do the small things needed to be an all around, polished QB, but imho, for whatever reason, it just doesn't click with him on the priority of importance. Loyalty on Pinkies part only takes you so far in this game.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19236 posts
Posted on 9/7/15 at 8:22 am to

No offense meant, but other than an opinion what do you base it on? Unless he's a lock 1st rounder, why go? Even then, there's no guarentee he may want to go.

He seems like a thoughtful young man who has all the makings of a generational quarterback.

Do you see him a cut from the Luck or Manning cloth? I kind of do.

Here's an interesting read on what went into their decision to return for their senior seasons. LINK
This post was edited on 9/7/15 at 8:24 am
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 9/7/15 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Lock's redshirt


What are things that don't exist for 100 Alec?


It's just gonna be weird seeing a kid who clearly doesn't need a couple of series a game to be ready to play, getting a couple of series a game to be ready to play. But hey we do what we do so why not right?

Sure it's gonna feel good to see him out there, see what he can do, and see him do it for just a little bit, but none of that feel goodism has a whole lot to do with actual need for playing him this year. OTOH, at least if the worst happens and he has some Brantley type incident, he'll still have a shirt year to use.

The surreal has nothing on COMO.
Posted by tobythetiger
Missouri
Member since Oct 2013
428 posts
Posted on 9/7/15 at 4:54 pm to
Well, I'm not ready to compare him to Manning or luck But Blaine Gabbert was a top 10 pick. Something tells me this kid will be better than Gabbert. Just can't see him at MU as a redshirt senior. As a true senior? Maybe. But I can't believe he'd be here 5 years. Just my opinion.
Posted by IlliniBuck
Member since Apr 2015
189 posts
Posted on 9/7/15 at 8:07 pm to
I second that Toby. The coaches have seen a lot of players come and go over the years. They may believe when Drew gets his year as the full time starter he will project as a first rounder and have the opportunity to be gone. Like Blaine Gabbert, Drew is a big, pro style pocket passer. The kind the NFL loves. He is not red shirt senior material.

At worst he serves as the back - up this year and then there is a qb competition in the spring. The medical redshirt is still there if needed.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 9/7/15 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

Well, I'm not ready to compare him to Manning or luck But Blaine Gabbert was a top 10 pick. Something tells me this kid will be better than Gabbert. Just can't see him at MU as a redshirt senior. As a true senior? Maybe. But I can't believe he'd be here 5 years. Just my opinion


I wouldn't be surprised to see him here for 4 years at all. Last year there were 7 QB's taken in the NFL draft. 7 total. 2 left early (winston and Hundley). Seeing those odds, unless your a surefire 1st round pick or have your degree, I don't know why anyone would leave early.

Although, that class of 2004 and '05 should be getting close to retiring in 2017-18, so who knows.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:15 am to
quote:

Seemed to be a controversial thing to the color commentator yesterday

There's a reason these guys are not on the sidelines coaching.
quote:

GP did the absolute right thing.

Agree
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