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Kul should have been the DC

Posted on 10/1/16 at 10:50 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 10/1/16 at 10:50 pm
The inability to mend that relationship was Odom's first mistep as the head man. In fact, he let it fester to a point where it was completely toxic. This bullshite scheme has destroyed our defense.

It's done now, but the question is will Odom fix it or will he show a unexplainable loyalty to failed assistants. Cross ruined our defense.

Will Odom have the balls to cut ties after this year?
Posted by MizzouTrue
Member since Jun 2016
3841 posts
Posted on 10/1/16 at 11:02 pm to
Kul was too arrogant to coach under Odom. Kul's jimmies were rustled when Odom was hired

Not Odom's fault
This post was edited on 10/1/16 at 11:03 pm
Posted by TigerTalker16
Columbia,MO
Member since Apr 2015
11533 posts
Posted on 10/1/16 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

Not Odom's fault

Who was the one that hired Cross again?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111507 posts
Posted on 10/1/16 at 11:08 pm to
quote:

Kul was too arrogant to coach under Odom. Kul's jimmies were rustled when Odom was hired


I knew when Odom was hired that he would not retain Kul. If I knew that, Kul knew that.

ETA: actually, I knew before Odom was hired that if he was hired, he wouldn't retain Kul.
This post was edited on 10/1/16 at 11:10 pm
Posted by MizzouTrue
Member since Jun 2016
3841 posts
Posted on 10/1/16 at 11:09 pm to
I doubt anybody else wanted to come here

Don't pretend that Mizzou was a remotely desirably destination in December 2015...

We got second-hand staff
This post was edited on 10/1/16 at 11:11 pm
Posted by JAGsports
Union Star
Member since Dec 2015
948 posts
Posted on 10/1/16 at 11:24 pm to
Bahahahaha
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 10/1/16 at 11:24 pm to
We could have gotten several different coaches, but this Odom's fault too. This is the scheme he wanted.
Posted by JAGsports
Union Star
Member since Dec 2015
948 posts
Posted on 10/1/16 at 11:32 pm to
Why stop at cross? Fire everyone and start over. I mean we r 5 games in and we r 2-3
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19236 posts
Posted on 10/2/16 at 8:27 am to
quote:

The inability to mend that relationship was Odom's first mistep as the head man. In fact, he let it fester to a point where it was completely toxic. This bullshite scheme has destroyed our defense.


No offense Jesus but how are you drawing this conclusion? How do you know Odom didn't try to make it work? Do you think he came in as DC and immediately started swinging a big dick and dictating to Kul?

It's possible, I suppose. Let's look at the facts and possible theories...

Theory One

- Odom comes in as DC, dispects Kuligowski or his ideas.
- Kul tries to bolt for Illinois late in the off-season and is wooed back by Pinkel with a hefty raise.
- The tension intensifies during the season to where they communicate through grad assistants.
- Odom continues to disrespect Kul to the point when he is named HC, Kuligowski gets even by e-mailing the playbook to the rest of the league on the way out the door.


Theory Two

- All of the above happened because Kuligowski was butt hurt; furious with Pinkel (not Odom) for being passed over as DC - feeling as a long-time loyal assistant who created DLineZou - he deserved the position based on that success and resents taking direction from a pup who was a kid coach on the staff three years earlier.


Have I missed any of the known facts in this timeline?

Which theory seems to pass the smell test better?
Posted by spytiger
Right Behind You
Member since Aug 2015
568 posts
Posted on 10/2/16 at 9:37 am to
What does Kul know about coordinating a defense?

Pinkel passed him over for DC.

Miami didn't hire him as a DC either.

Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:19 pm to
Meh. Kul was done here. Nothing Odom could have done. Hell, he left once already and GP had to talk him back in. Not a chance he was going to stay once GP left. I also don't know he is DC material. Despite his success, he still isn't one. One has to wonder why.

Whether Cross is the answer and whether the new scheme will work...I dunno. It really does bring back feelings I had about Ricker and the OL and their change of scheme.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:32 pm to
The scheme change has to be Odom's. You don't hire a DC without going in depth in discussions about philosophy.
I don't get the Cross comparison to Ricker. Ricker had 2 years as an OL coach at a bad Illinois program. While Cross has years of experience both in the NFL and College. Several of his college experience under Patterson, one of the top defensive minds at the college level.
The philosophy is different, it's obviously taking some time for the players to adjust.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:36 pm to
I'm not saying there are no dissimilarities but if you can't see the similarities, I can't help you.

New coach to Mizzou.
Implements new scheme.
Gets poor results.

Don't read more into my comparison than just that.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:39 pm to
A lot of the issues are more about scheme to match the talent. The schemes Ricker tried, work in a lot of places. Didn't work with a line with major talent issues.
Same can maybe be true about the defensive changes. Though I want to wait longer than 5 games before I make that judgement.
Posted by Supreme Tiger
Member since Sep 2016
642 posts
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:41 pm to
This is moronic.
Posted by sofa
CoMo
Member since Nov 2013
631 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

The inability to mend that relationship was Odom's first mistep as the head man. In fact, he let it fester to a point where it was completely toxic. This bullshite scheme has destroyed our defense.

It's done now, but the question is will Odom fix it or will he show a unexplainable loyalty to failed assistants. Cross ruined our defense.

Will Odom have the balls to cut ties after this year?


This is the defense Odom wanted to run last year. He hired a DC who would initiate it.

Posted by sofa
CoMo
Member since Nov 2013
631 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

The inability to mend that relationship was Odom's first mistep as the head man. In fact, he let it fester to a point where it was completely toxic. This bullshite scheme has destroyed our defense.

It's done now, but the question is will Odom fix it or will he show a unexplainable loyalty to failed assistants. Cross ruined our defense.

Will Odom have the balls to cut ties after this year?


This is the defense Odom wanted to run last year. He hired a DC who would initiate it.

Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:13 pm to
Yup

I wonder who would be the head coach right now if he had actually done it?
Posted by Zou brownmajic
Member since Sep 2013
3470 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:19 pm to
Probably Brock Olivo who would come on the cheap.
Posted by Stir of Echoes
SD, LA, OC, and the Inland Empire.
Member since Feb 2015
1052 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:20 pm to
Calm the frick down, we weren't winning shite this year with the old scheme either.

You've been in full on melt mode since the WVU game.

While the defense has regressed, give it a year, then start calling for heads on a stick. Cross looks over his head to me, but knee jerking him now means Odom will never get a decent coach in here after Cross leaves.

Stick with it, see what happens. If it fails move on. Obviously, Odom thinks this scheme will lead to wins down the road or he wouldn't have implemented it, and he sure as hell didn't implement it to piss people off.
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