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Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:30 pm to Tigersessed
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:30 pm to Tigersessed
Maybe I should reword it now that I think about it more. The Big 8 had mostly above average teams, but rarely had excellent teams. That may be a better description?
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Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:35 pm to Tigersessed
I hear what you're saying. What's strange is, as a kid, it wasn't even Big 8 games that stand out the most for me. I remember re-enacting the Stipo/Sampson matchups while listening on the radio.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:38 pm to Tigersessed
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I'm guessing you quit because the time period you mentioned is when the tourney expanded to 64 teams so most major conferences got multiple teams in. Getting half was nothing special. Then the ones that did get in didn't advance very far. The Big 8 just was not a very good basketball conference. It was similar to the Big 10 BB right now. I love Norm, but am old enough to remember a lot of those years.
Couldn't even tell you when it expanded so no, just got bored of looking at the numbers.
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I'm not sure what this means. If you want to explain it to me more, I will listen.
If there were 5 teams in the tourney, maybe 3 or 4 finished actually ranked.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:59 pm to Jagd Tiger
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I'm sadly embarrassed for the Norm haters here, the idea Haith should be mentioned in the same sentence as him is laughable.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:10 pm to Tigersessed
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It was similar to the Big 10 BB right now.
You mean the conference that finished second in RPI and had 79% winning percentage and had a Final Four team? Might want to reword that.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:24 pm to reedus23
Final Fours
Ok State - 1995
Kansas - 1974, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1993
Oklahoma - 1988
Elite Eights
K state - 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1982, 1988
OU - 1985
Ok State - 1995
Kansas - 1974, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1993
Oklahoma - 1988
Elite Eights
K state - 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1982, 1988
OU - 1985
Posted on 4/19/14 at 6:31 am to the808bass
So, Mizzou was the 4th or 5th best team in the Big 8?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 6:42 am to MIZ_STL
Pretty much
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:02 am to MIZ_STL
If you are using only NCAA tournament games as your measuring stick, yes. I just cast a little doubt on your statement that the Big 8 teams were of no real consequence because they had no tournament success. If you'd like me to demonstrate how Mizzou competed with those teams by winning conference championships in 76, 80, 81, 82, 83, 87, 90 and 94 and conference tournament champions in 78, 82, 87, 89, 91 and 93, I could do that.
Eta: this is all a stupid exercise. No matter how many stats are quoted back and forth, we all witnessed the last two years. You can pretend it was because of unbalanced classes or bad luck. He was a mediocre bench coach and a mediocre to poor leader.
I liked him. I wanted him to succeed. He didn't and showed no signs of being able to do so. Furthermore, he left us. If he really believed he could get the program headed the right direction, why do that? Because he didn't believe it. And if he didn't believe it, why should I?
Eta: this is all a stupid exercise. No matter how many stats are quoted back and forth, we all witnessed the last two years. You can pretend it was because of unbalanced classes or bad luck. He was a mediocre bench coach and a mediocre to poor leader.
I liked him. I wanted him to succeed. He didn't and showed no signs of being able to do so. Furthermore, he left us. If he really believed he could get the program headed the right direction, why do that? Because he didn't believe it. And if he didn't believe it, why should I?
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:09 am to the808bass
Do you ever sleep?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:10 am to MIZ_COU
Not much. Don't seem to miss it.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:11 am to the808bass
quote:How gracious of you.
You can pretend it was because of unbalanced classes or bad luck
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:14 am to MIZ_STL
You don't do yourselves any favors by pretending that what appeared on Norm Stewart court the last two years was disconnected from Haith's ability as a coach. Most of us saw it. And we cannot unsee it, no matter how much you wish us to unsee it.
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:17 am to the808bass
"The most pivotal moment of Haith's career at Mizzou came when Mike Dixon was dismissed from the program. The 2012-13 team had a chance to be really good, but Phil Pressey, for all his gifts, proved to be monumentally untrustworthy as a point guard, especially in the game’s waning moments. Things would have been much, much different with a guy like Dixon making good decisions and taking big shots. That team would have won at least four or five more games with Dixon and would have earned a good seed in the tournament. Haith would have produced in a big way in each of his first two seasons and would have stockpiled enough good will to weather a year like the one he just had." - Michael Atchison
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:23 am to MIZ_STL
Pressey is a good example. With under 30sec left in a close game he would go one on one every time, even though he really couldn't shoot. Never changed. He doesn't pull that shite in Boston. If he did he have the coaches foot up his arse
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:39 am to MIZ_STL
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Haith would have produced in a big way in each of his first two seasons and would have stockpiled enough good will to weather a year like the one he just had.
Except that (as COU noted) the coach is supposed to be able to get a PG to run the offense. At some point in that season, Haith should have looked Pressey in the eye and said, "so help me God, if you crossover and pull up from 22 feet one more time, I will pull your heart out through your throat." If he did do that and Pressey ignored it, then he had no control. If he didn't do it, he had no spine. It's still Haith's problem.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:53 am to the808bass
The situation could only have developed as you have described it. Of course, the way you set it up, the outcomes are only negative for Haith. You ignore the possibility that Haith didn't have the same issue with his best player taking the last shot in close games that you do. In fact, interviews from the season indicated that Pressey's teammates and Haith both encouraged Pressey to shoot more. Don't accuse Haith of being spineless and unable to control his players just because his coaching philosophy (help your players improve rather than punish your players, build confidence in your players) differs from your's.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 7:55 am
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:02 am to MIZ_STL
OK fine 808 left out incompetent.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:06 am to MIZ_STL
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You ignore the possibility that Haith didn't have the same issue with his best player taking the last shot in close games that you do.
Phil Pressey shot 26.1% from 3 (18-69) in conference play in 2012-13. If you want to argue there's another possibility, fine. But it appears that the alternate possibility is Haith is simply dumb.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:07 am to MIZ_COU
Because the competent way to get success out of your players is to scare them and to make them nervous so that they second guess their actions and don't want the ball in high leverage situations because they're too scared to make a mistake. I bet you'll win a lot of games that way.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 8:10 am
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