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Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:24 am
Posted by Tiger97
Member since Feb 2015
438 posts
Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:24 am
Did the football team get to this point?

Is it as simple as we have too many players that don't care enough?

Bunch of penalties = don't care.
Missed tackles = don't care.
Everything J'Mon Moore = don't care.


Are we seeing the results of recruiting that took too many big swings trying to improve the athleticism of the team and make the next step, only to see too many of those big swings end up as misses?

Did Pinkel see last year what was coming with those recruiting misses and get out ahead of the posse?

I am having a hard time figuring out what to pin on the coaches with all this evidence that they are not getting the required effort from the players on Saturdays to execute. All this finger pointing at the defensive system is starting to sound like whining. I don't know any defensive system that works with players who don't bother to finish tackles.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:57 am to
Is it as simple as the coaches are too nice? Trying to be supportive. I've seen some evidence of this. When a player doesn't do his assignment or makes a few dumb penalties they need to sit not just keep playing. J'mon has the most talent so they keep playing him, but there are receivers who want to do their job that play harder and better like Wingo and Black. J'mon needs to sit. Why do they keep playing Witter instead of Crockett???

What about the guys on D that keep completely missing their reads. Is it really that hard that they still can't get it, or are the coaches bad teachers? And what's up with all the arm tackles?

The thing has slowly spread. They played harder early and showed flashes of what they could be, but now they seem demoralized. Nobody is stepping up, nobody trusts the others to do their job, they look dazed and confused. There doesn't seem to be any leaders on the field. Are there leaders on the staff? Is this why they closed the practices?

Motivating 20 year olds can't be easy. They need to have confidence in the staff and in what they are doing and in how they deal with situations. It's a new system and playbook for everyone. It has to be, Pinkle is gone.

At this point the season is a lost cause. They need to get control of the team back and get them to play hard and confidently. Put the kids in that want to play. If you don't know your routes or reads or assignments put someone in that does regardless of talent level. If no one does dumb it down as far as you have to.

BO is learning on the job in the SEC of all places. He might have been better off learning at Memphis.

Sux cause there is a lot of talent on this team. Going just be talent level they should be 6-1 or no worse than 5-2.

It's not just us however. Smart is struggling at jawja with a roster full of talent. Muschamp is shite at SC, they are way underperforming (but we knew that would happen). Pinkle went 4-7 and 5-7 his first two years at Mizzou and he wasn't in the SEC.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
5361 posts
Posted on 10/24/16 at 12:27 pm to
It is because a DC will have a much more difficult time transitioning to the HC position than an OC. It takes years to perfect a defensive scheme and in college you have kids start 2-3 years and move on. You're constantly starting over so unless you're Bama, it's extremely hard to perfect your scheme. So DC's are more closed off, stubborn and resistant because they have spent their careers trying to do the impossible.

An OC can have an impact almost right away, especially with the spread variances. An OC learning curve is so much easier, especially if you recruit a good QB. There is no single recruit on defense that can have the impact of a good QB on offense. A good OC is flexible, and uses his offense to cover up deficincies in personnel, and exploit strengths. OC's attack defenses, DC's learn to respond to attacks.

Successful first time HC's overwhelmingly come from the OCs. DC's overwhelmingly struggle in their first HC job.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 10/24/16 at 1:15 pm to
Like it or not, the offense is improved from last year. Sure there's still a lot to fix but they didn't put up numbers even against the shitty teams last year.

The defense is all on an arrogant coach thinking he could improve something that didn't need improving.
Posted by outlawjoseywales
Memphis, TN
Member since Sep 2012
1835 posts
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:12 pm to
The arm tackles and diving to make a tackle is because they are out of position. Why are they out of position because these players were recruited to play on an attacking defense. Now you have them "reading the play" instead of attacking the play.

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK !!!!!!!
Posted by MizzouTrue
Member since Jun 2016
3841 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:52 am to
What talent? This is not a talented team. Our receivers are slow, our defense is slow, our receivers are not elusive, our QB does not have the intangibles imo.

2015 and 2016 are the least talented MU teams since atleast 2001
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
5361 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:23 pm to
IMO...there are about 5 teams in the FBS that have a huge talent advantage, and we can all probably name them. Besides those 5, the talent difference is negligible. Which is why Houston can roll OU and then get rolled by SMU or West Virginia's rise and Notre Dame's fall.

The outside receivers aren't elusive but they are big, Wingo and Johnson are elusive, but there are very few plays being called for the slot receivers. We return a top 10 defense that has been coached to penetrate, now they have to learn something totally different, it's not easy to turn off all that muscle memory.

Where is our coaching experience?

1st year HC
1st year DC
Previously exiled OC

Pinkels guys were together so long they probably finished each others sentences. It would have been beneficial to have 2 experienced coordinators witha new HC.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55219 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

Did Pinkel see last year what was coming with those recruiting misses and get out ahead of the posse?



He got diagnosed with cancer, right?
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 9:00 pm to
Yes. He got cancer ahead of the posse. 4D chess. Only this board is too smart for him
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