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How much improvement can Anderson get out of Rosburg and Post?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:58 pm
This is purely optimism because none of our bigs gave us much to think they could be valuable contributors. But I don't think Haith knew a thing about developing talent, certainly not post players. Anyone have any idea or reason to believe Anderson could develop them into something?
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:17 pm to MizzouBred
I don't know how much better Rosburg can be. Post should improve some but I think he may not see much time with J3, Jones, Gant, and Rosburg ahead of him.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:18 pm to MizzouBred
Eleventy.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:39 pm to MizzouBred
Norm Stewart and his staff were able to turn Gary freaking Leonard into a second round NBA draft pick.
Norm and Kim Anderson were able to turn the Haley twins and Monte Hardge into starters on NCAA tournament teams. They turned Chris Heller - Chris Heller! - into a Big Eight Tournament MVP.
Anybody who can do that gives at least an inkling of hope for Keaneau Post to do something nominally useful.
Norm and Kim Anderson were able to turn the Haley twins and Monte Hardge into starters on NCAA tournament teams. They turned Chris Heller - Chris Heller! - into a Big Eight Tournament MVP.
Anybody who can do that gives at least an inkling of hope for Keaneau Post to do something nominally useful.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:59 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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Norm and Kim Anderson were able to turn the Haley twins and Monte Hardge into starters on NCAA tournament teams. They turned Chris Heller - Chris Heller! - into a Big Eight Tournament MVP.
That's what I was looking for. Thank you!
Posted on 4/30/14 at 5:02 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Well that's lip sticking up a pig pretty good. Hardge, Heller and the twins were all disappointing. Heller had a flash of brilliance here or there after HS. But nothing sustained.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 5:09 pm to the808bass
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Well that's lip sticking up a pig pretty good.
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:04 pm to MizzouBred
Can't coach athleticism. I suspect they'll naturally get somewhat better because of another year of maturity alone, but I wouldn't expect the next coming of Stipo.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:18 pm to the808bass
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Well that's lip sticking up a pig pretty good. Hardge, Heller and the twins were all disappointing. Heller had a flash of brilliance here or there after HS. But nothing sustained.
Understand this: my starting premise, and it would take a lot to move me away from it, is that Post last year was one of the all-time worst Mizzou players I've ever seen, particularly when you factor in the size and physique he brings to the table.
From that standpoint, a flash of brilliance here or there from Post would, IMHO, be a major major accomplishment. If he were actually to do something sustained I'd consider it a sign of the apocalypse.
Hardge was serviceable in 1998 and 1999, his last two years. You can't be supportive of what Steve Moore did as senior but say Hardge sucked. Monte was more skilled offensively and did more overall.
The Haley twins were crazy head cases who somewhat regressed as seniors, but as a pair they were solid, serviceable Big Eight conference starters. More to the point - and this is sad to say but its a stone cold fact - they were more productive and better options than anything we were able to trot out at the center position last year. Straight up truth.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:11 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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More to the point - and this is sad to say but its a stone cold fact - they were more productive and better options than anything we were able to trot out at the center position last year. Straight up truth.
If we are satisfied with being better than Haithball, we can easily attain that goal and have absolutely nothing to show for it.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:12 pm to the808bass
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If we are satisfied with being better than Haithball, we can easily attain that goal and have absolutely nothing to show for it.
I know you are just generally pissed off about all things hoops now so I will keep getting smartass answers. But what beyond that are you striving for? Do you actually think Gregg Marshall could turn Keaneau fricking Post into a great player? I don't. I think a major reason Marshall didn't take this job was looking at the roster, seeing players like Post, and going "frick that, I'll live in Siberia/Wichita one more year rather than try to coach that nimrod."
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:03 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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I know you are just generally pissed off about all things hoops now so I will keep getting smartass answers.
I'm really not. I just don't think Haith is a good comparison for our program. "We're gonna be better at passing than last year!" Well, no, shite. Our players are gonna have arms and hands so that has to happen. "Our big guys will better." How in the hell would they be worse? Kimpossible.
And you're not nearly up to snuff on the smartass stuff. There's probably a grinder around somewhere you could hone it on.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:16 am to the808bass
You dodged the Marshall/Post question rather artfully though. Do I think we need better players than Post to be a big time winner? Yes. But the thread topic is about Post and Rosburg.
My suggestion is that Anderson may be able to squeeze at least some production out of Post as opposed to the none that Haith got. I'm not saying that the little he might get out of Post represents the end all be all of glorious achievement our program strives for. But Post is on the roster right now. There's no way around that. So either you'd rather he drop dead (don't answer that), transfer, play for us and continue to suck donkey balls just as bad as he did last year, or see him actually contribute something next year.
And my question is, do you really think that Anderson will in some way get less out of Post than Gregg Marshall or some other coach would? I don't, cuz I think Post just sucks generally and a good coach like Anderson or Marshall or Coach K or whover is only going to make him suck a bit less. But that doesn't mean my goal/standard is to suck less than before. We are stuck with the stiff for one more year whether we want him or not. If you have any brighter ideas than trying to get an ounce of production out of him for that one year, I'm all ears.
My suggestion is that Anderson may be able to squeeze at least some production out of Post as opposed to the none that Haith got. I'm not saying that the little he might get out of Post represents the end all be all of glorious achievement our program strives for. But Post is on the roster right now. There's no way around that. So either you'd rather he drop dead (don't answer that), transfer, play for us and continue to suck donkey balls just as bad as he did last year, or see him actually contribute something next year.
And my question is, do you really think that Anderson will in some way get less out of Post than Gregg Marshall or some other coach would? I don't, cuz I think Post just sucks generally and a good coach like Anderson or Marshall or Coach K or whover is only going to make him suck a bit less. But that doesn't mean my goal/standard is to suck less than before. We are stuck with the stiff for one more year whether we want him or not. If you have any brighter ideas than trying to get an ounce of production out of him for that one year, I'm all ears.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:38 am to MizzouBred
rosburg has a lot of potential offensively. He has a good feel for space and movement away from the ball. His hands are his weak spot (and his vertical obviously). He has shown to be a good interior passer and his footwork is VERY good when given the ball on the block.
I think people like to see that he is white and just dismiss him but he is a very solid big man. Getting him touches in the post will only help Mizzou's offense.
As for Post, he obviously has the ability to play above the rim. He showed flashes (late) of being able to hit some shots around the rim. It appears to me Post is all about confidence. I think the increased PT and a coach putting confidence in him will make him a very good post player.
I think both will be solid defensively because they won't be required to close out on shooters as much hopefully.
I think people like to see that he is white and just dismiss him but he is a very solid big man. Getting him touches in the post will only help Mizzou's offense.
As for Post, he obviously has the ability to play above the rim. He showed flashes (late) of being able to hit some shots around the rim. It appears to me Post is all about confidence. I think the increased PT and a coach putting confidence in him will make him a very good post player.
I think both will be solid defensively because they won't be required to close out on shooters as much hopefully.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:45 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
You're all over the map from one post to the next. But you type so much that I won't bother responding on each individual point.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:13 am to notsince98
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rosburg has a lot of potential offensively. He has a good feel for space and movement away from the ball. His hands are his weak spot (and his vertical obviously). He has shown to be a good interior passer and his footwork is VERY good when given the ball on the block.
I would respectfully disagree. I have always been one to be in the Rosburg camp, but as a role player. I think he'd be a solid player coming off of the bench. The problem with some of these guys is they never learn post play in high school. I watched him in high school a number of times and because he was heads and tails better than anyone else, he tended to hang around outside and slash to the hoop. That doesn't translate to this level and he's not even asked to do that. But the problem is then that he never developed those skills. I think he's serviceable coming off the bench, but he's not very athletic and his footwork is not that great nor quick. I would be pleasantly surprised if he ever approached averaging double digits. I would be happy if he averaged about 5 or 6 a game, about the same rebounds and get his 4 or 5 fouls defending and making life difficult underneath. About 15 minutes a game, tops.
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As for Post, he obviously has the ability to play above the rim. He showed flashes (late) of being able to hit some shots around the rim. It appears to me Post is all about confidence. I think the increased PT and a coach putting confidence in him will make him a very good post player.
I think Post's biggest problem was the speed of the game. He looks to still have baby fat on him. I think as the season ended, he started to catch up with the speed of the game and I agree, gained some confidence.
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I think both will be solid defensively because they won't be required to close out on shooters as much hopefully.
They better work on their quicks then. They were just too slow sliding over to help. Of course, it would help if the guys up top do a better job defending too.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:22 am to reedus23
I guess if you want to ignore what Rosburg actually did a few times on the court this last season, you are spot on.
I prefer to watch the video and see what players are capable of and not judge based by what is most common. Rosburg created on the block probably 7-10 times through the entire season and converted all but 1 from what I saw. You don't have to have quick feet to have good feet. You don't have to be athletic to score on the block. You have to be smart and he showed he can do that.
They were being asked to do things on defense that were unnecessary, especially in the zone. The man2man defense from both was solid on the blocks. They will both struggle vs stretch 5s. Good coaching can deal with that.
I prefer to watch the video and see what players are capable of and not judge based by what is most common. Rosburg created on the block probably 7-10 times through the entire season and converted all but 1 from what I saw. You don't have to have quick feet to have good feet. You don't have to be athletic to score on the block. You have to be smart and he showed he can do that.
They were being asked to do things on defense that were unnecessary, especially in the zone. The man2man defense from both was solid on the blocks. They will both struggle vs stretch 5s. Good coaching can deal with that.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:52 am to notsince98
Like I said, I like Rosburg, off the bench. I do think he's the type of player that will thrive with Anderson though for whatever that's worth.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:53 am to notsince98
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Rosburg created on the block probably 7-10 times through the entire season and converted all but 1 from what I saw.
Oh lawd.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:12 am to the808bass
Great info there. Thanks for contributing.
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