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Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:20 pm to AndyTiger
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AndyTiger
you're haith aren't you?
be honest
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:51 pm to MIZ_COU
I'm in the middle on this. I don't think Haith would have won 20 games with this team. That team two years ago was a Sweet 16 team and the 2011-12 team should have made the Elite Eight at the very worst.
However, I do think this team should be a lot better than it is now. I think a capable head coach would have this team around .500 right now. KU turns its roster over almost every year and they're winning conference titles. I'm not saying Mizzou brings in KU caliber talent, but it seems like every year, those guys are starting three or four FR/SO. Yet, they win conference titles and 25-30 games each year.
I also think the portion of the fan base defending Kim Anderson would be murdering Haith, Mike Anderson or Quin Snyder if they had the same record at this point. MA being a "one of us" leads to blind faith.
However, I do think this team should be a lot better than it is now. I think a capable head coach would have this team around .500 right now. KU turns its roster over almost every year and they're winning conference titles. I'm not saying Mizzou brings in KU caliber talent, but it seems like every year, those guys are starting three or four FR/SO. Yet, they win conference titles and 25-30 games each year.
I also think the portion of the fan base defending Kim Anderson would be murdering Haith, Mike Anderson or Quin Snyder if they had the same record at this point. MA being a "one of us" leads to blind faith.
This post was edited on 2/12/15 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 2/12/15 at 7:35 pm to wubilli
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In fairness to Haith, he said the he would've had a roster at MIZZOU capable of winning 20 games.
This.
I didn't get the sense that Haith was gloating or boasting, or claiming he would be on his way to 20 wins this season if he'd stayed. I think he's trying to fight a perception that he got out of dodge while the getting was good. You could look at the roster we have now and claim it has the potential to win 20 games in a season.
No way Haith would have won 20 games with this team.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 7:37 pm to KCTigerFan212
Haith didn't say he could win 20 with this team. He said that he would of had a roster to win 20 games.
Remember he had Punter committed, averaging over 10 ppg at Tenn.
Cam was here and would of been the leading scorer.
A few 5th year transfers were looking at Mizzou that probably keep Clark as the top reserve.
And maybe Jones is still here.
I'm not sure that 20 wins would of kept him around. Each of his teams was worse than the one before.
Remember he had Punter committed, averaging over 10 ppg at Tenn.
Cam was here and would of been the leading scorer.
A few 5th year transfers were looking at Mizzou that probably keep Clark as the top reserve.
And maybe Jones is still here.
I'm not sure that 20 wins would of kept him around. Each of his teams was worse than the one before.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 10:16 am to wubilli
It's possible that Haith's answer is the right answer to the wrong question. The roster would have been different, the program still in a continuum. But the continuum was downhill. 20 games maybe, but with what? An NIT invitation?
Here are the right questions:
Would Haith have led this program back to where it needed to be? Nope? Were we at increased risk of NCAA violations with him at the helm? Yep. Was he a lying sack who misled the AD about his background and deserved to be fired for that alone? Sure.
I went on record before this season as saying that KA was an awful hire, and I still believe that. But I don't question his integrity and I do think next year and the year after will be better than this year. Will he take this program back to winning the conference occasionally and regular Top 25 rankings? I want him to, but I believe there's no way. Neither Haith nor KA was the solution, and we'll have the same conversations about making a change again over the next couple of years until we finally pull the trigger. Too bad. KA is a True Son and shouldn't ever have been put in this position so late in his career where it will be remembered as his legacy to his alma mater.
Here are the right questions:
Would Haith have led this program back to where it needed to be? Nope? Were we at increased risk of NCAA violations with him at the helm? Yep. Was he a lying sack who misled the AD about his background and deserved to be fired for that alone? Sure.
I went on record before this season as saying that KA was an awful hire, and I still believe that. But I don't question his integrity and I do think next year and the year after will be better than this year. Will he take this program back to winning the conference occasionally and regular Top 25 rankings? I want him to, but I believe there's no way. Neither Haith nor KA was the solution, and we'll have the same conversations about making a change again over the next couple of years until we finally pull the trigger. Too bad. KA is a True Son and shouldn't ever have been put in this position so late in his career where it will be remembered as his legacy to his alma mater.
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