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Fuller Rumors: NCAA Charges Coming
Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:35 am
He gone.
Or maybe not.
He obviously toyed with the idea of becoming a head coach last year. Will he make the jump this year? Would you, in his place?
Update: NCAA charges coming. Haith, too.
Or maybe not.
He obviously toyed with the idea of becoming a head coach last year. Will he make the jump this year? Would you, in his place?
Update: NCAA charges coming. Haith, too.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 12:34 pm
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:50 am to the808bass
From what I've been reading, it sounds like KA and Fuller never have seen eye to eye. It also appears Fuller was causing a rift between KA and the players. Of course all second hand info. Maybe some of the problem so far with this team?
Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:51 am to the808bass
Would not blame him. He could be a HC at a lower level school and get the experience. He could be an assistant on a lot of teams that have a lot more success.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:58 am to reedus23
Don't worry guys, we'll probably bring in a stud recruiter out of the D2 ranks and be just fine.
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:02 pm to jafo
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From what I've been reading, it sounds like KA and Fuller never have seen eye to eye. It also appears Fuller was causing a rift between KA and the players. Of course all second hand info. Maybe some of the problem so far with this team?
Thanks for the info.
I try to read personalities as a hobby. And I don't get amiable vibes from KA. I'm really not piling on to my previous criticisms of him when I say that. It will be interesting to see if he can develop better staff continuity than his predecessor.
Eta: my first huge red flag with Haith was when he hired an assistant coach after the first year and the coach was gone in almost literally a day. Either decided it was a bad idea or someone called him and said "GTFO" or he just got a better job.
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:31 pm to the808bass
I don't know if it's either a good or bad vibe thing from either one. You have to figure that Fuller was heavily relied upon by Haith during his run here. Haith couldn't coach his way out a paper bag with a frick'n map. KA is an x's and o's coach and can coach diminishing Fullers role in hands on coaching during a game. That and their styles and approaches may just be clashing. My speculation.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:33 pm to jafo
Breaking: Fuller and Haith will be charged by the NCAA. Good source. He will not be back next year.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:49 pm to the808bass
what kind of charges we talking?
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:57 pm to 5thTiger
Recruiting violations based upon the limited info I have. I was told he wouldn't be back next year.
But, imo, if they're serious charges he might be gone Mid year.
But, imo, if they're serious charges he might be gone Mid year.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:17 pm to the808bass
Gonna affect Mizzou at all?
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:21 pm to reedus23
Will know more probably by tonight.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:25 pm to the808bass
Coming off of something questionable with Gant, yeah, I don't feel easy about it.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 12:03 pm to reedus23
Fuller on the bench. We'll see.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 12:14 pm to Stlweir
Yeah. Didn't look any different. But I'm not getting this info from some blowhard on TB. We will see.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 12:17 pm to the808bass
808 -
Here's my thing on these sorts of rumors, not just with you but with these types generally.
You are not a journalist. You have zero journalistic responsibility whatsoever to "protect your sources." So when you come with stuff like this, say exactly where you heard it. You're naming the subject of the rumor - Fuller - by name. So you're not protecting his identity. But the identity of where you got this rumor from is somehow sacred? No. It just takes away credibility.
Gabe on PowerMizzou has been letting these rumor mill posts fly, but he has said that there are also rumors out there that nothing of the sort is happening and that no indications that Fuller is leaving have been given to the team as of yet. So the only way to really start to sort out what to believe is to get any idea at all of where you are hearing this. If its second hand from another internet post, well I've seen the other posts on other sites too and that just doesn't help much.
It's also worth noting that the ones both here and on PM who have been putting the Fuller leaving rumors out there have acknowledged that they have been highly critical of the KA regime thus far in some form or fashion. So while its good to acknowledge potential bias, it also makes it more important to state your sources in order for us to see past any potential bias. And so far none of the peeps who have posted this sorta stuff have been giving sources.
Here's my thing on these sorts of rumors, not just with you but with these types generally.
You are not a journalist. You have zero journalistic responsibility whatsoever to "protect your sources." So when you come with stuff like this, say exactly where you heard it. You're naming the subject of the rumor - Fuller - by name. So you're not protecting his identity. But the identity of where you got this rumor from is somehow sacred? No. It just takes away credibility.
Gabe on PowerMizzou has been letting these rumor mill posts fly, but he has said that there are also rumors out there that nothing of the sort is happening and that no indications that Fuller is leaving have been given to the team as of yet. So the only way to really start to sort out what to believe is to get any idea at all of where you are hearing this. If its second hand from another internet post, well I've seen the other posts on other sites too and that just doesn't help much.
It's also worth noting that the ones both here and on PM who have been putting the Fuller leaving rumors out there have acknowledged that they have been highly critical of the KA regime thus far in some form or fashion. So while its good to acknowledge potential bias, it also makes it more important to state your sources in order for us to see past any potential bias. And so far none of the peeps who have posted this sorta stuff have been giving sources.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 12:41 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Mizzou Fan I agree with everything you say but here is the problem. If one reveals their source the source will no longer share information with you. So as readers and posters on these boards we can take things with a grain of salt and consider who is posting and their track record.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 12:56 pm to Stlweir
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Mizzou Fan I agree with everything you say but here is the problem. If one reveals their source the source will no longer share information with you. So as readers and posters on these boards we can take things with a grain of salt and consider who is posting and their track record.
I don't really buy into that for non-journalists. If you're talking to a friend of some sort who's in position to know and tells you something, but that friend would have a problem with you posting what they told you on the internet, then you are kinda already betraying their confidence by doing so. Not saying where you heard it from doesn't undo the damage of putting that information out into the public eye.
I've heard plenty of rumors over the years and none of my friends would give a damn if I say where I got them from. For example, here are some juicy ones.
One of my friends in CoMo had a roommate who was friends with former 1980s Mizzou basketball player Mark Dressler. Among other things, he told me that according to Dressler, Norm Stewart used the "N" word to describe black people during practices all the time. Now you can believe that or not, I don't really know either, but I've told you exactly where I heard it.
I have another close friend from Columbia who told me he had a friend in the athletic department who was saying that the Quin hooking up with Linas Klieza's girlfriend rumors were in fact happening, and said something about an encounter between them actually happening in the coach's offices. Again, I don't know how much stock to put in that chatter, but that's the chain of exactly where I heard it.
And so on. It's not the end of the world for the people who relayed that to my friends and I don't think there's any sort of cloak and dagger, Watergate type stuff that goes into hearing rumors. You heard something? Tell me where you got it from. Otherwise I have no level of credibility to attach to the rumor.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:15 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I hear what you're saying but here's the deal as I see it. AND THIS IS ALL COMPLETE FICTION JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
Let's say I have a buddy that works in the athletic department. Let's say we happened to get together over the holidays and have a few drinks. Let's say while drinking he lets on about some potential problems with Coach X. Even if he doesn't explicitly say it, you know by the nature of it he wouldn't want you to divulge it. Now you go blathering his name, jeopardizing his job, and yeah, I think I would be pissed at you for releasing his name.
Instead of pressuring people to out their sources, I suggest we just take it for what it states in the OP...a rumor. May turn out to be right. May turn out to be nothing. So I guess it comes down to posters just not posting anything they hear because they're all rumors even if they name the source or posters just not sharing what they hear because they're not going to piss off a friend much less jeopardize their job or their relationship with the University.
Let's say I have a buddy that works in the athletic department. Let's say we happened to get together over the holidays and have a few drinks. Let's say while drinking he lets on about some potential problems with Coach X. Even if he doesn't explicitly say it, you know by the nature of it he wouldn't want you to divulge it. Now you go blathering his name, jeopardizing his job, and yeah, I think I would be pissed at you for releasing his name.
Instead of pressuring people to out their sources, I suggest we just take it for what it states in the OP...a rumor. May turn out to be right. May turn out to be nothing. So I guess it comes down to posters just not posting anything they hear because they're all rumors even if they name the source or posters just not sharing what they hear because they're not going to piss off a friend much less jeopardize their job or their relationship with the University.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:22 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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You are not a journalist. You have zero journalistic responsibility whatsoever to "protect your sources."
I'm not protecting my source. I just prefer to remain friends with the person I got this from. They don't care that I'm posting it, but the people who told them will stop telling them stuff if I put their name on here and it could damage their relationship with the university. So, I'll just continue to post stuff I hear and label as rumor and you can ignore it if you want.
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One of my friends
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another close friend
Amazing citations.
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 1:25 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
But you're not providing any names either ATX. Would it really change if 808 says I have a friend who has a friend in the athletics department? I just don't see what that would change. I guess we'd know that it's not another post on a message board that he got it from, but I kind of assumed that anyhow.
The only thing that would provide what you're saying is to name names. For instance, AND AGAIN COMPLETELY MADE UP, but if I was a buddy with coach and now director of baseball operations, Evan Pratte. And if Evan told me there was word coming down that TJ was getting fired, you can bet your bottom dollar that if I come here and let people know that there is rumor that TJ might be done after the season, I sure as hell ain't saying who told me. Could you imagine the fall out if that got back to the staff, particularly if TJ weren't fired?
The only thing that would provide what you're saying is to name names. For instance, AND AGAIN COMPLETELY MADE UP, but if I was a buddy with coach and now director of baseball operations, Evan Pratte. And if Evan told me there was word coming down that TJ was getting fired, you can bet your bottom dollar that if I come here and let people know that there is rumor that TJ might be done after the season, I sure as hell ain't saying who told me. Could you imagine the fall out if that got back to the staff, particularly if TJ weren't fired?
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