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re: Comments from J3's father -- significant for the KA haters
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:18 am to 5thTiger
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:18 am to 5thTiger
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I'm a KA skeptic, but I think everyone is trying to equate every situation or action to KA. There were a large number of suspensions this year. That is a fact. But was it for things that makes kids "bad or problems." I'm not so sure.
So it was either because the kid's did something that justified the suspension or KA was over zealous. If it's the former, I'd rather see those kids leave and and the kids that have bought in stay. The fact that the opposite is happening is on KA. If it's the latter and the kids' actions weren't so bad as to justify a suspension, then it's on KA for being over zealous.
Bottom line, if KA is truly trying to change a culture, who would you rather have on your team?
*A kid who decides it's ok to skip practice or a kid who shows up day in and day out working his arse off?
*A kid who has such a bad attitude directed to coaches and team mates that it leads to a multiple game suspension or a kid that apparently gets along with the staff but understandably doesn't get along with the kid who is being a dick.
*Kids who are out getting drunk and missing curfew on game night or a kid who isn't?
If it were me, and I have been preaching "culture change" and "program building" for a year now, I'm not sure my word would be worth a grain of salt if I keep the kids who skip practice/are dicks to everyone/get drunk and miss curfew over the kid who isn't doing all of those things.
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Every interview I've ever seen from the players has made them seem like relatively educated folks. They haven't been arrested.
Not according to KA, who criticized his players for poor pronunciation.
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Like I said, I don't think KA has done a very good job, but I am all for giving him multiple years to get a fair shake. Same for the players, until they are arrested or proven "problems," I'd like to think its simply a lifestyle difference between J3 and the rest of the team.
I'm all for giving KA multiple years as well. But I'm not sugar coating the job he's done so far. As for the kids, 9 are proven "problems" as they were suspended. Well, either that or KA was over zealous as I said.
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:23 am to wubilli
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Could be that they did the normal stuff college freshmen do, possibly learned their lesson and matured.
Yeah, because the normal stuff college freshmen leads to 9 different players being suspended on a yearly basis. And don't get me wrong, I don't care if he keeps them or not. I just think it flies in the face of everything being pushed about "culture change" and "program building".
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:30 am to reedus23
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Yeah, because the normal stuff college freshmen leads to 9 different players being suspended on a yearly basis. And don't get me wrong, I don't care if he keeps them or not. I just think it flies in the face of everything being pushed about "culture change" and "program building"
Everyone is doing a lot of assuming on the suspensions. 9 suspensions is alot. When it is that many, I am more likely to think that it is either petty outdated rules, rather than 9 problemed kids who are cancerous.
Bello's suspension has been linked to academic reasons. Other than that, we have no real idea of what suspension were for.
I know KA did a terrible job coaching this year. I know J3 didn't get along with his teammates. That is about it.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:31 am to the808bass
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I have never walked into a job interview and said "my current boss sucks
I have and it did not hurt me on the interview LOL
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:37 am to reedus23
Guess I just don't buy the narrative that just because you are disciplined once you are a problem.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:38 am to reedus23
I get the OP's point, I really do. But assuming that's the real reason, it bothers me a lot. It says we're losing the kids the coach likes and works with well. The ones that would buy in to what he's trying to achieve, ones he could build a program around. Instead, the ones he lacks chemistry with are the ones staying. That's a bad sign, and doesn't speak well of his culture-changing, program-building capabilities.
It's been a year. At this point, he owns any chemistry problems and discipline issues that exist, IMO.
It's been a year. At this point, he owns any chemistry problems and discipline issues that exist, IMO.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:40 am to 5thTiger
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I know J3 didn't get along with his teammates.
It's probably nit picking, but I'd say team mates didn't get along with J3. To say it the other way makes it sound like J3 was the problem when I think the likelihood is that the kids who were suspended for being assholes to the coach/team were the problem.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:44 am to reedus23
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I think the likelihood is that the kids who were suspended for being assholes to the coach/team were the problem.
Yep. See my point above. This is a problem. And KA owns it.
Hope we get a top notch new assistant. Someone like Kimmie would be a breath of fresh air.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:45 am to wubilli
Because he is starting to realize that he does not have 5 years to rebuild a program to his standards. If he doesn't win this coming year, he might not get a third.
If he jettisons a bunch of the other players and keeps J3 then just how does he expect to win any games next year?
If he jettisons a bunch of the other players and keeps J3 then just how does he expect to win any games next year?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:45 am to wubilli
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Guess I just don't buy the narrative that just because you are disciplined once you are a problem.
Well you were a problem at one time or you wouldn't have been suspended right? I'm not saying they are doomed for life. But I am saying that keeping those who were a problem instead of those who never posed a problem flies in the face of everything we were told about and by KA and how we should just be patient with an 8 win season because he is changing the culture or building a program. At this point...I call bullshite, at least in the sense that those words were thrown around.
Keeping kids who skip practice, get drunk/miss curfew on game nights and who are just flat out dicks to the staff/team is NOT changing culture or program building. Especially when they are causing the kids who don't do those things to leave. KA is rolling out the same shite any other coach does so I'll call BS every time someone rolls that out there as an excuse for 8 wins.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:47 am to semotruman
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But assuming that's the real reason, it bothers me a lot. It says we're losing the kids the coach likes and works with well. The ones that would buy in to what he's trying to achieve, ones he could build a program around. Instead, the ones he lacks chemistry with are the ones staying. That's a bad sign, and doesn't speak well of his culture-changing, program-building capabilities.
Exactly.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:47 am to reedus23
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To say it the other way makes it sound like J3 was the problem when I think the likelihood is that the kids who were suspended for being a-holes to the coach/team were the problem.
Some folks just don't get along. I knew people in college who I didn't get along with that I had to work with in organizations and such. It's not that either of us were bad people, just that we had difference of opinions. That is how I see this.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:49 am to Koch Snowflake
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Because he is starting to realize that he does not have 5 years to rebuild a program to his standards. If he doesn't win this coming year, he might not get a third.
If he jettisons a bunch of the other players and keeps J3 then just how does he expect to win any games next year?
Exactly once again.
And I have no problem keeping the kids. But don't spout the "culture change" bullshite anymore as an excuse for last year. I don't think the kids did anything earth shattering and we've probably had worse on our teams in the past. But the preaching becomes meaningless then.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:51 am to 5thTiger
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Some folks just don't get along. I knew people in college who I didn't get along with that I had to work with in organizations and such. It's not that either of us were bad people, just that we had difference of opinions. That is how I see this.
I hear ya. And that's all well and good in most instances. But in this instance, we had at least one kid that was suspended from multiple games for being a dick to staff and team mates. Something tells me it wasn't just a matter of difference of opinions. It sounds to me that that kid was a source of problems more so than J3.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:16 pm to reedus23
I have no doubt that the "discipline problems" the team had this season were not much worse, if any, than existed in previous seasons. They're D1 athletes, not the Harlem Boys Choir. The different variable was KA and his expectations. I have no problem with high expectations for behavior, none at all. Not do I have an issue with consistent discipline. But part of effective discipline is the outcome of behavior change, so I'm not sure KA's actions were effective. Obviously they weren't effective enough for JW3 to see a positive change in his teammates and stay to be part of what KA wants to build.
I hate it, but I can't blame the kid for wanting to be in a program that's functional and wins. The question is whether KA can build a program that's not dysfunctional off the court, and produces wins on it.
I hate it, but I can't blame the kid for wanting to be in a program that's functional and wins. The question is whether KA can build a program that's not dysfunctional off the court, and produces wins on it.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:46 pm to reedus23
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So we keep all the kids who douched it up and let the good one's walk simply for the fact that all the douchy kids get along?
A 19 yr old doing something stupid isn't really the same as being douchy.
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Seems to cut against everything we hear about KA and sacrificing last year in order to change the culture from the ground up. So now our "foundation" that we hear so much about is based on a bunch of kids who are cliquish and have all had "incidents" leading to suspensions instead of excising them in favor of the kids who buy in.
Let me see: nobody cut JWIII, he chose to leave. He chose who he wanted to hang with. So because he didn't get along with everybody else, it's everybody's fault?
Sometimes guys just don't fit & as good a young man as JWIII seems to be, he may just not fit with the guys that are there.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 1:12 pm to Wtodd
I think everyone is just frustrated with how this past season went (understandably so), combined with the fact that we are losing our best and most proven player, has lead to pointing fingers.
Let the offseason and coaches do their thing...if we don't see progression or winning, then we can start pointing fingers again.
Let the offseason and coaches do their thing...if we don't see progression or winning, then we can start pointing fingers again.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 1:18 pm to 5thTiger
and of course haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 1:53 pm to hipgnosis
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fans with intuition saw this.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 3:12 pm to Wtodd
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A 19 yr old doing something stupid isn't really the same as being douchy.
When that something stupid is being an a-hole to coaches/team mates and was bad enough to warrant a multiple game suspension, then yeah, I'd call that being douchy.
Getting drunk and/or missing curfew on a game night...yeah, I'd call that douchy and complete disrespect for the coaches and team.
Flat out just skipping practices...yeah, I'd call that douchy too.
Apparently KA agrees with me as well. He did suspend them all. If you don't like douchy, subtitute whatever word fits better. Irresponsible. Immature. Disrespectful. Whatever. And yeah, lots of 19 year olds do stupid things. I'd suggest there is something extra that comes with being given the opportunity to play at the next level and have all the perks of being a college athlete.
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Let me see: nobody cut JWIII, he chose to leave. He chose who he wanted to hang with. So because he didn't get along with everybody else, it's everybody's fault?
Nope, didn't say that. Read it again. If a "culture change" and "program building" were all that important to KA though, he would have gotten rid of the problem children and thereby increased the odds of the one kid who didn't cause trouble staying. And again, I don't have a problem with that. Just don't preach "culture change" and "program building" when that's the course you choose to take.
And I totally get why KA couldn't do that. He would have been left without a team and in an untenable position. He had to keep as many of those kids he suspended as he could.
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