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Posted on 9/22/14 at 3:21 pm to MIZ_USA
Randy Shannon Defensive Coord. and Joker Philips Wide Receivers/recruiting Coord.
With this move, you get much better recruits and 2 former HC on the staff.
With this move, you get much better recruits and 2 former HC on the staff.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:49 pm to outlawjoseywales
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:50 pm to outlawjoseywales
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White must be hurt.
White is listed as injured
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:49 pm to Tigersessed
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The scheme of the defense is not the problem. I wish the whole cushion and 3rd down crap would quit being made up. Indiana was 1 of 14 on 3rd downs. UCF made 3 great plays on 3rd down. It happens.
Part of the reason it won't go away is because the cushion won't go away. It's not only on third downs. It's regularly ran in this scheme. I don't know how many times.....this year....I have sat and watched this defense get burned for ten yard outs. It's frustrating to sit there and watch this defense give up an easy 10 or 12 yrd. completion and go right back to playing with a 8 to 10 yrd. cushion the very next play. They may line up only 5 yrds. out, but before the ball is snapped, they are fading backwards and then when the ball is snapped they are a true 10 yrds. off. All the receiver has to do is sell a go route and stop at 10 to 12 yrds. and he's open.
It's the refusal to adjust much like when Steckel would not give up on the 3-4 dumpster fire of a scheme last season and cost us a possible conference championship. Pinkel has to intervene at times to snap Steckel out of his do or die ways. Would be nice to help his defense recognize the screen also. He can't seem to figure that one out either.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:53 pm to jafo
LOL. I'm not going to take the time or energy to try and change your mind. 
Posted on 9/23/14 at 4:32 am to Tigersessed
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LOL. I'm not going to take the time or energy to try and change your mind.
Is that you Steck??
Oh yeah, if you were Steck you wouldn't talk about why it's not working.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:14 pm to Mizz-SEC
LB play has gotten much better. Our DB's play soft and are ok at best. If we don't get pressure they get beat.
We have NO DEPTH on either line. Oline is not nearly as good as last year. We are upper middle in the east with that line. If Golden or Ray go down we are lower middle to lower in the east.
We have NO DEPTH on either line. Oline is not nearly as good as last year. We are upper middle in the east with that line. If Golden or Ray go down we are lower middle to lower in the east.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 7:19 pm to jafo
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They may line up only 5 yrds. out, but before the ball is snapped, they are fading backwards and then when the ball is snapped they are a true 10 yrds. off. All the receiver has to do is sell a go route and stop at 10 to 12 yrds. and he's open.
but we don't give up the "big play", just the easy first down yardage,,, of course we actually do give up big plays, but that doesn't seem to stop the silliness of sticking to this soft coverage scheme.
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It's the refusal to adjust much like when Steckel would not give up on the 3-4 dumpster fire of a scheme last season and cost us a possible conference championship. Pinkel has to intervene at times to snap Steckel out of his do or die ways.
It's hard to say who is more clueless on defensive scheming, Pink or Stec, and no, there will be NO QUESTIONS about the coaching allowed!!
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Would be nice to help his defense recognize the screen also. He can't seem to figure that one out either.
hi-tech, new fangled football plays like the screen, some year our million dollar coaches might devise a counter for such devious and shrewd tactics.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 7:58 pm to Mizz-SEC
Good post, Mizz.
Glaring problems I've noticed:
1) Secondary has been tentative for years and I think it's coaching related. We need some guys that challenge and hit hard. Oftentimes, it appears the CB's and S play contain... I get that this otens protects against TDs, but many times it leads to huge runs of 15+ yards and the chains move.
I thought Aarion would develop into more of VH3 type player, but seems only effective at INTs. He's very good at that, but I want to see improved tackling.
2) LBs still have trouble getting off blocks. We've seen enough with the SEC championship game to know that tough running attacks will be difficult to stop. Maybe that is more personnel than scheme... remains to be seen.
3) Murphy is better used in space. Think Henson needs to incorporate more screens to him instead of traditional runs. Murphy is a legit talent that can be a game-breaker.
4) TEMPO! Our Offense needs quicker tempo. We had too much fits and starts getting our offense going. This is one element I miss with Franklin. The offensive rhythm was better. Perhaps Mauk and co are changing plays at the line to counter what they are seeing with the defense. More quick hit throws to keep D off-balance.
The one elite thing I've noticed with this squad has been punting. Brinser deserves a medal for his efforts.
Glaring problems I've noticed:
1) Secondary has been tentative for years and I think it's coaching related. We need some guys that challenge and hit hard. Oftentimes, it appears the CB's and S play contain... I get that this otens protects against TDs, but many times it leads to huge runs of 15+ yards and the chains move.
I thought Aarion would develop into more of VH3 type player, but seems only effective at INTs. He's very good at that, but I want to see improved tackling.
2) LBs still have trouble getting off blocks. We've seen enough with the SEC championship game to know that tough running attacks will be difficult to stop. Maybe that is more personnel than scheme... remains to be seen.
3) Murphy is better used in space. Think Henson needs to incorporate more screens to him instead of traditional runs. Murphy is a legit talent that can be a game-breaker.
4) TEMPO! Our Offense needs quicker tempo. We had too much fits and starts getting our offense going. This is one element I miss with Franklin. The offensive rhythm was better. Perhaps Mauk and co are changing plays at the line to counter what they are seeing with the defense. More quick hit throws to keep D off-balance.
The one elite thing I've noticed with this squad has been punting. Brinser deserves a medal for his efforts.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:27 pm to MIZ_USA
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You can blame coaching all you want, but honestly this team is just not that good.
There is some truth here. This was an 7-8 win team going into the season with 9 wins being the ceiling.
Not sure things have changed much from those early predictions.
Im not saying I accept that. I dont. I think this program can move past "every 3 years go on a national run" but Im not really sure what to do about it. Pinkel is going to write his own exit from Mizzou, and honestly he should.
Program needs to move past the Pinkel era acceptance after he moves into retirement. Need to expect much more. More revenue, better facilities etc. This program just isnt the poor little small fish that gets a pat on the back swimming with the big boys in the Big 12.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 9/24/14 at 6:51 am to trader_tiger83
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TEMPO! Our Offense needs quicker tempo.
This and get better blocking from the O-Line and we're good to go.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:12 pm to Tigersessed
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LOL. I'm not going to take the time or energy to try and change your mind.
There is nothing in your time or energy that can explain away reality. So, it is what it is. There is no minds to have to change since that is the reality of this Mizzou DC and his soft scheme's. Bend but don't break defensive schemes are call what they are called for a reason. I'm just glad we have finally showed we can press in coverage at least a few times a game. I hope Steckel changes my mind this weekend and I can eat some crow.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:46 pm to kilo
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You can blame coaching all you want, but honestly this team is just not that good.
I agree that the team just isn't that good.
Think about 'what could have been' -- DGB as the big play threat, Josey and Hansbrough as a 1-2 punch with Murph as the primary slot receiver.
That changes the entire geometry of this team.
Mizzou's filler players are average, they do well when they can have a few outliers that bust things open and all the plug ins buy into their role.
Recruiting is rearing its ugly head. When we aren't able to lean on a few really talented guys, the fact that the majority of our team is very average shows up much more.
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