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What can we all agree on
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:56 pm
Obviously the board is pretty split on Mac and the future of UF. Pretty even split actually which is about what it was during 2013 with Muschamp.
So is there a middle ground we can all agree to as Gator fans?
I think universally Nuss and Nord are having their heads called for. So I think we all are on board with that change. A few say just have Mac call plays to keep Corral as well. Nord there is no defense for. It's basically 100 percent get him out.
Is it okay to say year 4 is a make or break year for everyone? Unless of course we tank and get four wins(UAB and Missouri seem the only safe bets).
If year four is make or break, what are your requirements from the staff to keep Mac year four?
We all agree recruiting finally looks like a class UF is used to having. Is anyone else worried about the lack of defensive studs and depth on defense though?
Are we Universal in something needs to change, or do injuries and suspensions mean staying the course will work in the long run. Meaning no change in the offense, keeping same philosophies, etc.
So is there a middle ground we can all agree to as Gator fans?
I think universally Nuss and Nord are having their heads called for. So I think we all are on board with that change. A few say just have Mac call plays to keep Corral as well. Nord there is no defense for. It's basically 100 percent get him out.
Is it okay to say year 4 is a make or break year for everyone? Unless of course we tank and get four wins(UAB and Missouri seem the only safe bets).
If year four is make or break, what are your requirements from the staff to keep Mac year four?
We all agree recruiting finally looks like a class UF is used to having. Is anyone else worried about the lack of defensive studs and depth on defense though?
Are we Universal in something needs to change, or do injuries and suspensions mean staying the course will work in the long run. Meaning no change in the offense, keeping same philosophies, etc.
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:58 pm to Gatorbait2008
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What can we all agree on
you don't have it as bad as tennessee
Posted on 10/11/17 at 1:59 pm to Gatorbait2008
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What can we all agree on
The sun will rise again tomorrow.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:01 pm to Gatorbait2008
frick muschamp.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:10 pm to Gatorbait2008
I agree that year 4 is make or break, I believe we are all in agreement to this, but that isn't the battle that is going on right now on this board. The split right now is whether you should support the team and current coaching staff until a reasonable amount of time has been given for them to be successful or whether to continue to bitch about everything every week and to grow a negative narrative about the program that contributes to it's failure.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:11 pm to UFMatt
Always support the team. Strong criticism should be allowed though. Don't misinterpret strong criticism to mean we're cheering against our own team...
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:17 pm to Gatorbait2008
Here's the problem. Mac is like WM. He swore he'd change. He may fire Nuss and Nord like WM but nothing will change. It took him 2 years to finally land 1 proven recruiter in Seider. He doesn't know how to recruit talent and balance. We have signed or committed 4 DTs in his last 3 classes. Booster fees will be increasing next year and the home schedule sucks and $ is needed for many planned projects. There were tons of empty seats in bhg Saturday. Keeping Mac is hanging up curtains during a house fire. Yeah we'll be out of 30+M in the short term but it's better than being out $80+M when the revenue drops and we still have to pay Mac and a new staff. Nuss isn't going anywhere. Why wait another year? We all know what the inevitably is. Do we want another 5+ years of ineptitude due to terrible recruiting or do we act to stop the bleeding? We have 1 OL, 0 DTs and only 1 major target in miller with the rest of the defensive class being 2 4*s and projects. We're gonna go farther down on defensive talent to where we're gonna need to score 35+ just to win games. We're already playing corners at safety, OL and undersized DEs at DT, and S at LB. The entire defense is a mess with the exact same staff. So just be done with it and fire them all. At least a New HC if Stricklin doesn't screw it up would bring us hope.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:20 pm to UFMatt
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I agree that year 4 is make or break, I believe we are all in agreement to this, but that isn't the battle that is going on right now on this board. The split right now is whether you should support the team and current coaching staff until a reasonable amount of time has been given for them to be successful or whether to continue to bitch about everything every week and to grow a negative narrative about the program that contributes to it's failure.
You will never see me attack a player. A millionaire coach paid to do his job? Fair game. Pretty sure year 3 is a good enough time for a sample size. We have seen what we get.
We beat average and bad teams.
We barely win vs a lot of them.
We have no chance vs teams with more blue chips.
We can't win coaching battles consistently.
We still have high school level issues, that are quite frankly insane. The fact that Franks has to signal to the sideline multiple times a game to hurry up with the play call is simply astounding. We have no pace and no control of the game. See if we were 3-2 and we looked well coached but just under manned, no complaints here. That isn't the issue though. We look under manned, and poorly coached. That is why I have taken the "Mac simply isn't good enough" mindset after being on his side for three years. The evidence is simply overwhelming that he isn't a championship level head coach. A good one, decent, but not great. He will never out coach someone like Dabo, Meyer, Saban in a game. Just isn't capable.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:27 pm to TJGator1215
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH..........I didn't want to waste time quoting your post.
Our fan base, specifically fans like you contribute to us not getting the best coaches and keeping them and keep us from getting the best recruits because of all the negativity. Who the hell wants to come coach or play at a place where a part of the fan base are whiny bitches from day 1. IMO all coaches deserve 4 years to build their team and the support of the fan base for that 4 years. Any fan that doesn't give a coach that amount of time is a cancer to their program. There is a reason that coaches are usually hired to 4 year + contracts.
Our fan base, specifically fans like you contribute to us not getting the best coaches and keeping them and keep us from getting the best recruits because of all the negativity. Who the hell wants to come coach or play at a place where a part of the fan base are whiny bitches from day 1. IMO all coaches deserve 4 years to build their team and the support of the fan base for that 4 years. Any fan that doesn't give a coach that amount of time is a cancer to their program. There is a reason that coaches are usually hired to 4 year + contracts.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:45 pm to UFMatt
3 years is a reasonable amount of time to expect some progress on offense, that is the root of the criticism for most people. Nuss and Nord should not have been invited back this year, it was a huge mistake on Mac's part. Assuming we don't completely fall apart and something more drastic has to happen this year, Mac has to hit a homerun with OC and there must be significant improvement. It is extremely difficult to regain fan confidence once it is lost, we'll see if Mac can do it. I hope that he can because we've invested a lot of money into him, would like for it to payoff.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:55 pm to UFMatt
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Our fan base, specifically fans like you contribute to us not getting the best coaches and keeping them and keep us from getting the best recruits because of all the negativity. Who the hell wants to come coach or play at a place where a part of the fan base are whiny bitches from day 1. IMO all coaches deserve 4 years to build their team and the support of the fan base for that 4 years. Any fan that doesn't give a coach that amount of time is a cancer to their program. There is a reason that coaches are usually hired to 4 year + contracts.
FSU fans are calling for Jimbo's head
OSU fans calling for Meyer's head
Herman's head was called after one game.
LSU hasn't even given their new coach a year.
Once again, you are shown a fool. I would respect your point of view, but it's so easy to counter the idiocy it's not worth the effort to claim it valid. Coaches aren't scared to come to UF. Every major program has this passion.
It took less than four years for 10 of the last 12 title winning coaches to build a champion. Took Saban, Meyer, Carroll, Stoops, Brown, etc all of two years to build a champion. Guess we shouldn't expect our coach to perform well by year two, and have most things figured out. That would be insanity. Correct? In your mind, Florida is USF. We have no established history, no reason to have expectations, no reason to want great coaching for our program. We should accept average coaching. We should accept basic nonsense like inability to spot issues in the program, inability to get play calls in, inability to adjust your game plan to your players. All this is very basic coaching you expect at a high school level. Yet our coach is paid 4 million a year, and can't get the basics done. Simply not good enough. The fact that our team can't even tackle now is just incredible. Is there anything more fundamental on defense than proper tackling technique? Yet who has it? CeCe, Polite, Sherit, and well..that's pretty much it. Amazing, and sad.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:12 pm to Gatorbait2008
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FSU fans are calling for Jimbo's head
OSU fans calling for Meyer's head
Herman's head was called after one game.
LSU hasn't even given their new coach a year.
My opinion of those fan bases.
Fsu - dumbasses - best coach that they have ever had. and he is in his 7th year so open game
OSU - dubmasses - see above and he is in his 5th season so fair game
Texas - delusional fans simular to some Gator fans
LSU - got what they deserved, now live with it
so, i don't just call out Gator fans for being dumbasses.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:17 pm to bgator85
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3 years is a reasonable amount of time to expect some progress on offense,
OK, having said that, you do realize that he has only been the head coach at UF for 2 seasons and now 5 games?
and won 10 and 9 games, should have been 10 in second year but we had a game cancelled. Oh, and 2 division titles playing with an undermanned roster and no SEC caliper QB for more than 6 games.
Give the man 4 years and if the program hasn't improved, I will agree that a change is needed. Until then, let's be good fans and support the program.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:31 pm to UFMatt
2008 can kiss my white butt...you're constantly bitching along with TJ, Mac will be here til 2018 deal wit it.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:37 pm to UFMatt
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OK, having said that, you do realize that he has only been the head coach at UF for 2 seasons and now 5 games?
and won 10 and 9 games, should have been 10 in second year but we had a game cancelled. Oh, and 2 division titles playing with an undermanned roster and no SEC caliper QB for more than 6 games.
I'm not looking for perfection, just progress. The fact that he's won those games is what has bought him so much goodwill and why we haven't seen even more calls for a change. However, the fact that the offense has been a major disappointment again this year is fair criticism of Mac and the staff. The change in OC should have happened last year and that was confirmed by the Michigan game.
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no SEC caliper QB for more than 6 games.
Through 79 pass attempts:
Franks - 50 of 79, 3 TD, 1 INT, 665 yards
Grier - 50 for 79, 4 TD, 3 INT, 563 yards
They should be able to put together a solid game plan around Franks and the talent that is put out on the field. At the very least an offense that could climb into the top 100 teams in America.
I support the program 100% and go to every home game, but have to be able to recognize some of the serious deficiencies right now in the coaching staff. Mac has a big opportunity this offseason and obviously an incredibly important move for both ours and his future with UF.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:13 pm to bgator85
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They should be able to put together a solid game plan around Franks and the talent that is put out on the field.
You said there isnt any.. so which is it??
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:27 pm to dbuchanon
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You said there isnt any.. so which is it??
I don't think I've ever said there wasn't any talent. I think the vast majority of our issues have come from a poor offensive staff.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 10/11/17 at 4:50 pm to Gatorbait2008
I don't agree with firing Nuss after the season . If Nuss is fired it should be after the A&M game and Mac takes over the play calling duty. We should not have to rely on having a great OC to have a good offense when we have a offensive head coach. Nuss should have been fired after last year . Nord should be fired at the end of the season if Nuss is fired on Monday . If not keep him for next year too and save some money. Mac said he could win with his dog playing QB so I want to see him win with the QBs he recruited and coached.
I think everyone would agree year 4 is amake or break year . For Mac to keep his job we should win the SEC championship next year or at least look like they are on the same level with Bama.
Recruiting on offense looks like it's going to improve but it will not matter if the coaches don't improve drastically . We need to improve the talent on defense too.
I think we may all agree that a change on offense needs to be made but we disagree on when.
I think everyone would agree year 4 is amake or break year . For Mac to keep his job we should win the SEC championship next year or at least look like they are on the same level with Bama.
Recruiting on offense looks like it's going to improve but it will not matter if the coaches don't improve drastically . We need to improve the talent on defense too.
I think we may all agree that a change on offense needs to be made but we disagree on when.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:20 pm to Gatorbait2008
Does anyone think that Mac is the right coach for the job?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:32 pm to Gatorbait2008
A rather depressing read up on Yahoo Sports about Gator football, not the type of thing you want to see right now in a coach’s tenure.
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I think almost everyone agrees there needs to be an overhaul of the offensive staff. Who he’s able to attract given the situation will be interesting.
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I think almost everyone agrees there needs to be an overhaul of the offensive staff. Who he’s able to attract given the situation will be interesting.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 7:46 pm
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