re: We're looking at 6-6 or 7-5 next year

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Our OL problems started when Urban was almost out the door and he signed 2 OL players....then Muschamp followed suit with 2 more...but I understand somewhat why....he tried his best to build a defense that was going to be a SEC tough unit after he inherited a soft team in 2011.

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Our OL was salvageable, it's a complete wreck at this point.

And our defense has been stout since the Zook days, it's not our problem.

Like I said: At any time we can have upward of six freshmen on the field on offense. It's just too much, and right now we have got to just cut our losses and get into the next year.

No kicker + No QB = No points.

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Hell, when's the last time we had a truly shitty defense?

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Yeah that's why whenever I hear about Muschamp's supposed defensive guruhood I'm just sort of like: Uhh it was elite years before he came around, and it's been a hallmark of Gator football for a while now.

Right now we've just got a lot of dudes with their feet already out the door, they were ready to go and played completely uninspired.

I think it's also the sort of: We can never win with this offense feel to it.

Are you guys seriously discussing a potential HC change? Why choose to be insufferable after a 10 win season when many were projecting UF would be lucky to make a bowl. Pipe down a bit and be thankful.

Ppl forget we were picked to finish 5th in the East

5th
Fifth

Based on our talent. And we won the East

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UT,FSU, UGA are toss ups. Everything else should be a win.

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Arky and LSU look like toss ups as well

But no way do I see y'all losing 5 or 6 games

you SHOULD have 7 wins built in with your sched, to go 7-5 would mean that you lose EVERY game against a team with a pulse

anybody really think that happens?

I don't

I see 8-4 as a floor with 10-2 as a ceiling UNLESS you get much better QB play than we saw this year

I think/hope Del Rio is ready to ball out. Has had a yr to go through tge playbook.

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To this minority, I have to ask: What did you expect after Grier left?

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Believe me I am not the minority when it comes to how our team played the last 4-5 weeks. An offense that didn't continuously regress week after week. And any adjustment on offense at all. If it happened I didn't see it.

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What would you have done differently with what we had?

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I would've run Treon more or possible give Guy or Grady a shot. Mac said he limited Treon to install a system which to me speaks to the future (which I like) but at the same time sometimes you have to adjust your offense to the player. I agree they may have been just as bad but we will never know.

I think you are taking my comment the wrong way. We got lucky several games Hardin making a FG. Tennessee laying an egg. For a coach that was so confident offensively I just wasn't that impressed even with our limitations. Like I said on another topic did we ever have 29 yards in a half under Muschamp. The leash comment and Muschamp was speaking of my personal backing of Muschamp even after the Georgia Southern loss and some of the other failings I excused them away and defended him to several people. If we lose to a Georgia Southern type team with Mac I'm not sure I will defend it this time. Giving Mac more leash was intended to mean don't go crazy and want him gone just based of the Citrus bowl and give him some time.

So let me get this straight, new HC comes in and wins the East with all of the limitations we had and he should be afraid for his job? Thats crazy. Gotta give a new HC at least 3 yrs to get his guys in here to see what he can do. Not like we had alot to work with offensively.
Look at what he did for CSU, each yr they improved until they were the best offense in the conf.

And yes i do believe if Will Grier didnt go by the local supplement store that we wouldve beaten LSU and FSU. Bama woulda been a more competitive game and we wouldve crushed OKSt in the Superdome

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If the majority of Florida fans believe Mac's seat should even be more than lukewarm, you guys are absolutely fricking out of your minds.

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Where did I say his seat was even lukewarm? If you read what I said I said the majority of Gator fans were not happy with the way our team played the last 4-5 games even with Treon at QB. Were you ecstatic or were you on the edge of your seat wondering if we were gonna pull one off against FAU and Vandy like a lot of Gator fans. My first comment said that I agreed with Gatormb89 that we needed to give Mac more leash in response to someone suggesting we make a coaching change. I also said I am good with the staff just not as sold as I was mostly referring to Collins since I don't really like his zone defense that he seems to gravitate to. I never said I wanted a new coach or we were going to lose every game forever. Like I said we were just as close to 7 wins as we were to 10 wins but I said we still won them and I believe the difference from last year in most of those games was coaching.

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"Give Guy and Grady an opportunity."

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You asked me what I would've done then then bash me for giving you my opinion. I don't know how either of them would've played in a game and I never heard or saw anything about them in practice. I watched film of Guy from high school that is about it. But you asked the question and I gave you an answer. Also never said Mac wouldn't do it to salvage the year. I said you have to adjust to a player sometimes and to me since Mac said he was trying to install a system so he didn't run Treon where I might have regardless of the chance of injury and terrible backups. I also agreed that our backups might just be that bad.

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Can't expect to win with that. Taylor wouldn't have even started next year, we have one decent receiver, our Oline was completely obliterated and Treon is NOT a quarterback and we're playing without a fricking kicker.

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You don't think I know that. Believe me I do. Am I the only one that thinks our offense regardless of who we had at QB should've gotten more than 29yds in the second half vs Michigan. I was just not excited with the way the offense played the last 4-5 weeks or the way the team handled themselves at times. Did the FAU game make you wonder a bit what the heck was going on.

Honestly I'm not sure if you mis-read or mis-comprehended it but at no time did I say I wanted Mac fired. My Mac firing meter is pegged at 0%.

Here is something from the Citrus Bowl I heard today. One of my friends at work is a huge Michigan fan and has a relative on the staff at UM. During the Citrus bowl halftime Harbaugh said he could see it in our players eyes and that we were about to give up and he told his team just 5 minutes of hard play and the game is over. If this is true it concerns me a bit with the culture that we have in the locker room. Mac referred to a lot of people being satisfied with the East title. I think he gets this fixed with his guys coming in.

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Bruv, you talked about his leash. It shouldn't even be in the discussion

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In response to someone asking about bringing in Chip Kelly telling them to give him more time (Leash=Time). Next time I will use wireless dog collar range where in that case (Range=Time). Metaphors. Mac is a dog lover so it fits.

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Without an offense, Mac won both of those games. You know who didn't win those games?

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If you read I said the difference was coaching in those games. " Like I said we were just as close to 7 wins as we were to 10 wins but I said we still won them and I believe the difference from last year in most of those games was coaching."

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These are all rhetorical, and designed to show you where you might be shooting blanks.

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Then don't say "To this minority, I have to ask". Seemed like a question to me. Suggestion for next time preface rhetorical questions with word rhetorical I'm a bit slow. Have you heard of the practice reports of Guy or Grady? That's my point I haven't heard anything so I am like you said shooting blanks but its my opinion on what I would've done.

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He's got at least another two years, and in my book I'd give him 3

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So the exact amount of time as Muschamp. If he loses to the Citadel in year 3 and goes 4-8 do you back him. Because I did with Muschamp I'm not sure I would be so ready to defend my coach a second time around since I learned my lesson the first time. My expectations by that point would be high especially with the recruiting class Mac is bringing in.

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Never said that you did, just that your criticism is completely, utterly, unilaterally and ubiquitously misplaced.

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What criticism am I speaking that every other Gator fan on this board hasn't said or wondered. Go back and read most post game threads from Vandy on. Heck read this thread from the beginning. They all speak to a lack of adjustments on offense. The Zone defense Collins uses. People wondering why Guy hasn't been given a chance. Why we don't have a kicker. I'm not the first to say these things. You heard week after week about how Treon was a good runner and I wondered why we didn't see more of it. Did anyone else want maybe some designed QB runs. Most teams that cant pass seem to do that kind of thing.