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Posted on 11/5/13 at 9:40 am to boXerrumble
Posted on 11/5/13 at 9:40 am to boXerrumble
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Next year is gonna be tough man...
And?? Folks forget we lost our starting qb 1st period into the third game. None of these games scare me....except at Vandy (seriously) and the girls school...but things happen in life...the girls school could suffer the dreaded injury jinx, etc etc.
Bama? New qb and they are no where near the team they were in 2011 even right now. Fear not my reptilian friend. We could be pretty powerful next year and a lot of it depends on the OL & LB depth, hopefully Fulwood and Robinson have a breakout year and Im sure Kelvin Taylor will. TE?
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Posted on 11/5/13 at 10:19 am to boXerrumble
quote:And I thought we had a hard schedule next year. Getting LSU and Bama as your West opponents is pretty much as bad as it gets.
Next year is gonna be tough man...
@ Alabama
vs. LSU
vs. Missouri
vs. South Carolina
UGA
@ FSU
@ Vandy
Thats tough.
But I've said it before. UF is a mediocre offense away from getting back to Atlanta. Y'all already have most of the players y'all need. I'm not sure about your overall QB depth, but a JUCO sub can fix that problem short-term. Hopefully the plan is already in place to fire Pease, and there's a short list of candidates to replace him. What UF really needs is to hire the replacement prior to the bowl game so he can get those valuable bowl practices.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 11:26 am to The Nino
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UF is a mediocre offense away from getting back to Atlanta. Y'all already have most of the players y'all need. I'm not sure about your overall QB depth, but a JUCO sub can fix that problem short-term. Hopefully the plan is already in place to fire Pease
Not to bust any bubbles....but Pease may be our OC next year and heres why: your starting qb is injured in third game ( I definitely think he has been injured since mid season of 2012 ) you now have a 2 star qb YOU didn't recruit and who didn't expect to play now as a starter...he did ok against UK & Arkie...but injuries mounted (not just Easley)...LSU was waiting for revenge, we continued to have injuries and Mizzou just blasted us and made Murphy look like a 2 star qb. Don't get me wrong...Murphy is a great Gator and has done the best he can...its not his fault and it isn't Peases fault that he throws 3 passes at the feet of wrs. We started out with Matt Jones out and he never looked the same...Mack Brown is second string rb and doesn't have the inante ability to burst through tackles or makes defenders miss. Not Peases fault. The OL is hurt by lack of depth and poor play at times...you could share blame sandwich with Pease and OLC, but not depth. WRs: we have good ones and young ones still trying to learn. Pease recruited the young ones who should produce soon.
All the playcalling in the world doesn't do any good when the backup qb throws at the feet of wrs or has pop gun of an arm. You cant make chicken salad outta chicken shite. Not saying Pease will be back or not...just food for thought. Boom is out there for every practice and knows what Pease does and he also knows plays would WORK if executed properly. I will let Boom decide if Pease should be back. Of course I know there are so many kneejerkers out who will vent and not renew tix...but let us start out 3-0 and see how fast the bandwagon fills up.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:53 pm to reel_gator8
quote:I'm convulsing at the thought. Last year we didn't have a top 100 offense and that was with Gilislee and Sturgis. Our players are not progressing like they should. Seeing Reed shred in the NFL makes me sad.
Not to bust any bubbles....but Pease may be our OC next year
quote:I can't trust Boom's knowledge on offense except how to scheme against them.
I will let Boom decide if Pease should be back.
I'm not anti-Boom either. I think we should keep him and I don't think he was the one that hired Weis. It's clear from his 'put out the fire' comments that he's upset with our offense too. Pease needs to go. How much recruiting does he do anyways? Isn't that mostly TRob? And the staff could've prepared for the thin OL depth by recruiting more OL from the start, not just picking up a few players every year.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 4:20 pm to cornhat
I do not see anyway Pease survives. He's not endearing to the fans or boosters or recruits and someone has to fall for being 110 in total offense in the NCAA.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 5:03 pm to cornhat
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cornhat
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Last year we didn't have a top 100 offense and that was with Gilislee and Sturgis. Our players are not progressing like they should.
Ok...point counterpoint...I did state previously that Driskel was hurt about mid season last year and his ankles just never got much better and for all intent and purposes...he was a r/s frosh who had to share all the snaps til first game. So before we state something...lets reason first. Do you know how hard it is to throw when your ankle is tender? Hard to plant and passing stats are affected....but again lack of snaps last year played into it. If you look at video of Driskel in A&M & UT games last year early on (when the defenses scared of his run game)...its obvious something is wrong when you view 1st qt of UT game this year....he wasn't running much and when he did with UT...he was then for the year.
So...in essense...you cant just throw out "Gillislee and Sturgis"....first of all...they aren't here anymore and secondly it doesn't explain your logic...??? And we did get invite to BCS Sugar Bowl.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 10:44 am to reel_gator8
Other teams have injuries too. The amount of detail and nuance you're considering our injuries with can be applied to the top 100 offensive teams as well. We're battling an inordinate amount of injuries, but even from last year's performance, we were not doing well.
It's hard to fathom that our school with the quality of recruiting classes we bring in (rankwise), with our budget, and the resources we have, cannot muster up a top 100 offense even on pure luck and athletic ability alone. We are probably top 5 in the country for the amount of resources at our disposal, and sub-100 offense? We're not able to get everyone we want, but it's far easier for us to get players than say Tennessee, which has very few eligible decent players in their state. The fact that we don't have all SEC player on offense points to what, recruiting or coaching? Someone has dropped the ball.
The invite to the Sugar Bowl was on account of our great record, but that does not clue anyone in to the quality of our offense.
I and many fans are giving Boom a pass on this year on account of the amount of injuries. But this offense needs an overhaul, and Pease has not shown anyone he's capable. What Boom says publicly may not reflect his feelings personally and he's not a foremost expert on offense anyways, so his opinion shouldn't be the end all-be all.
It's hard to fathom that our school with the quality of recruiting classes we bring in (rankwise), with our budget, and the resources we have, cannot muster up a top 100 offense even on pure luck and athletic ability alone. We are probably top 5 in the country for the amount of resources at our disposal, and sub-100 offense? We're not able to get everyone we want, but it's far easier for us to get players than say Tennessee, which has very few eligible decent players in their state. The fact that we don't have all SEC player on offense points to what, recruiting or coaching? Someone has dropped the ball.
The invite to the Sugar Bowl was on account of our great record, but that does not clue anyone in to the quality of our offense.
I and many fans are giving Boom a pass on this year on account of the amount of injuries. But this offense needs an overhaul, and Pease has not shown anyone he's capable. What Boom says publicly may not reflect his feelings personally and he's not a foremost expert on offense anyways, so his opinion shouldn't be the end all-be all.
Posted on 11/6/13 at 11:50 am to cornhat
Cornhat ...you completely ignore the basic explanations of my post as it doesn't fit too well in your theory...but that's ok...these are opinions afterall.
After I explained my reasoning of our offensive shortcomings and successes....you don't give us reason to qualify Peases failures....but we are a school with top resources and money should be able to get us a better offense. Sure sure.
Last year we moved the ball on UGA but turnovers killed us....it wasn't the play calling...its execution. Re read my post again before wading into the "he's not developing" pool. Driskel was splitting reps all the way til start of the season..and in essense he was r/s frosh with VERY limited snaps under his belt.
Our defense was stout and there was no reason to throw much...why entertain fans? Boom wants to win and we were a field position, eat clock and run the ball down their throat team. Everyone was pretty happy after LSU game...we went 11-1 and didn't show up for Sugar Bowl.
We start out this year with the canes and Driskel throws for almost 300 yds...but five turnovers sink us. After Driskel went out...nothing can be determined in honesty about how well we would have played on offense and the injuries mounted.
I don't personally care if Pease stays or not...I do know we recruited well on the offensive side this past Feb and have a top QB ready to come to Gainesville....I will let Muschamp decide what is best...he knows his future depends on this and if we fail in 2014...he is gone. Remember that a new OC can create confusion with his own set of play calls and making everyone learn a new system, do we want that? Boom only has a year and a lot of OCs aren't going want to come to UF with the fear that the house gets cleaned if Boom is let go.
After I explained my reasoning of our offensive shortcomings and successes....you don't give us reason to qualify Peases failures....but we are a school with top resources and money should be able to get us a better offense. Sure sure.
Last year we moved the ball on UGA but turnovers killed us....it wasn't the play calling...its execution. Re read my post again before wading into the "he's not developing" pool. Driskel was splitting reps all the way til start of the season..and in essense he was r/s frosh with VERY limited snaps under his belt.
Our defense was stout and there was no reason to throw much...why entertain fans? Boom wants to win and we were a field position, eat clock and run the ball down their throat team. Everyone was pretty happy after LSU game...we went 11-1 and didn't show up for Sugar Bowl.
We start out this year with the canes and Driskel throws for almost 300 yds...but five turnovers sink us. After Driskel went out...nothing can be determined in honesty about how well we would have played on offense and the injuries mounted.
I don't personally care if Pease stays or not...I do know we recruited well on the offensive side this past Feb and have a top QB ready to come to Gainesville....I will let Muschamp decide what is best...he knows his future depends on this and if we fail in 2014...he is gone. Remember that a new OC can create confusion with his own set of play calls and making everyone learn a new system, do we want that? Boom only has a year and a lot of OCs aren't going want to come to UF with the fear that the house gets cleaned if Boom is let go.
Posted on 11/8/13 at 6:18 pm to reel_gator8
Sorry for the delay.
Does anyone believe that there was a real QB competition heading into last year? I thought that was debunked early on. While our team was winning, it was clear the offense was poor. That 11-1 record wasn't because of the offense. And that was not a painless 11-1 record either. Improvement should've been a goal on the offensive side. A better offense would've made the ULL and Missou game MUCH easier.
And while that LSU game turned out in a win, the offense wasn't good in that game either. The Sugar Bowl was bad, but I'll attribute that to being in a let down bowl even though they ended the season on a high note with a win against FSU.
Red zone offense is horrific and I'm blaming Pease partially for stalling momentum with awful plays for Burton. How he can't evaluate the effectiveness (or lack of) for that play is mindboggling.
The lack of O-line recruiting is something the coaches brought on themselves. This season is a wash but there are ways they can work around Murphy's skills. I just don't see quality offensive coaching from Pease.
I'm not much for blaming Boom, only because he can coach defense and without injuries, they are elite. But he's responsible for this ship. I don't think this is scapegoating Pease. He's not showing anything worthwhile. And while we can attribute the poor offense on coaching or execution by players, I believe that coaching explains the herp-derping of our players regularly in games.
Does anyone believe that there was a real QB competition heading into last year? I thought that was debunked early on. While our team was winning, it was clear the offense was poor. That 11-1 record wasn't because of the offense. And that was not a painless 11-1 record either. Improvement should've been a goal on the offensive side. A better offense would've made the ULL and Missou game MUCH easier.
And while that LSU game turned out in a win, the offense wasn't good in that game either. The Sugar Bowl was bad, but I'll attribute that to being in a let down bowl even though they ended the season on a high note with a win against FSU.
Red zone offense is horrific and I'm blaming Pease partially for stalling momentum with awful plays for Burton. How he can't evaluate the effectiveness (or lack of) for that play is mindboggling.
The lack of O-line recruiting is something the coaches brought on themselves. This season is a wash but there are ways they can work around Murphy's skills. I just don't see quality offensive coaching from Pease.
I'm not much for blaming Boom, only because he can coach defense and without injuries, they are elite. But he's responsible for this ship. I don't think this is scapegoating Pease. He's not showing anything worthwhile. And while we can attribute the poor offense on coaching or execution by players, I believe that coaching explains the herp-derping of our players regularly in games.
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