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Posted on 10/18/15 at 7:41 am
Posted on 10/18/15 at 7:41 am
I watched this game and tried to stay calm...but honestly we lost game because we couldnt run the ball...we had to try...but it was awful...their defense dominated our OL.
I almost threw my drink at the big screen last night watching # 75 Halter get his lunch money taken by Neal over and over. Neal was running down plays from the backside all night and Treon never had much of a chance because of the pass rush by Neal. We did have # 83 McGee chip him a little on a few plays...chip him hell...we needed a club. Halter should have had help. Treon was really slow to get up one play after Neal came in untouched and just smeared him. Treon wont make it through the season if Halter doesnt improve or we provide him help. Put a really good ROT in the game and we have a new game folks. Ivey played 99% of the snaps and this will pay off for us soon.
These games are won in the trenches...not by WRs or RBs. I watched both the OL & DL intently and I was surprised at how many times we only put 7 men in the box to stop run...it worked out most of the time and we did have 8 men a lot too. Had too many 3 & outs and field position was great except for 2nd qt when we were backed up 3 times. Our punter really did a great job flipping field on them.
The thing on the special teams that burns my shorts is our coverage of both punts (not too bad) and kickoffs (really bad). Our kicking improved when Powell left game and we had Hardin come in...he immediately kicked deep into the end zone and he could have kicked long FG for us if we needed him to. I think there was more to the story about Hardin being injured...some disagreements or something put him on the bench along with his injury.
We must beat UGA and not count on AU beating them. The leghumpers have UK at home, AU @ JHS and us left. We have three games also...UGA, Vandy @ Swamp and USC in Columbia. A loss to UGA would give us both 2 losses and UGA would have tiebreaker. UGA looked awful last night against Mizzou.
Win out and we have SECCG and also the girls school to propel us in rankings. Shouldnt drop more than 3-4 spots at most after last night.
I almost threw my drink at the big screen last night watching # 75 Halter get his lunch money taken by Neal over and over. Neal was running down plays from the backside all night and Treon never had much of a chance because of the pass rush by Neal. We did have # 83 McGee chip him a little on a few plays...chip him hell...we needed a club. Halter should have had help. Treon was really slow to get up one play after Neal came in untouched and just smeared him. Treon wont make it through the season if Halter doesnt improve or we provide him help. Put a really good ROT in the game and we have a new game folks. Ivey played 99% of the snaps and this will pay off for us soon.
These games are won in the trenches...not by WRs or RBs. I watched both the OL & DL intently and I was surprised at how many times we only put 7 men in the box to stop run...it worked out most of the time and we did have 8 men a lot too. Had too many 3 & outs and field position was great except for 2nd qt when we were backed up 3 times. Our punter really did a great job flipping field on them.
The thing on the special teams that burns my shorts is our coverage of both punts (not too bad) and kickoffs (really bad). Our kicking improved when Powell left game and we had Hardin come in...he immediately kicked deep into the end zone and he could have kicked long FG for us if we needed him to. I think there was more to the story about Hardin being injured...some disagreements or something put him on the bench along with his injury.
We must beat UGA and not count on AU beating them. The leghumpers have UK at home, AU @ JHS and us left. We have three games also...UGA, Vandy @ Swamp and USC in Columbia. A loss to UGA would give us both 2 losses and UGA would have tiebreaker. UGA looked awful last night against Mizzou.
Win out and we have SECCG and also the girls school to propel us in rankings. Shouldnt drop more than 3-4 spots at most after last night.
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Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:15 am to reel_gator8
Nice post. On my phone so I'll keep this short.
We look much better with this coaching staff than the previous.
We are by far playing better and are overachieving from what I expected.
Beat GA and we will be even better.
We look much better with this coaching staff than the previous.
We are by far playing better and are overachieving from what I expected.
Beat GA and we will be even better.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:19 am to Bbobalou
I think it will be a disappointment if we don't win the East at this point.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 5:45 pm to reel_gator8
I really liked the intensity they played with last night. No matter what happened there were no heads hanging or finger pointing. They fought the entire game. Hell one or two bounces go our way we win. To do what we did in that atmosphere is impressive. COACHING,COACHING, COACHING! 
Posted on 10/18/15 at 9:43 pm to boXerrumble
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I think it will be a disappointment if we don't win the East at this point.
I don't think this is too far from reality. If we're being honest, Georgia is not the same team without Chubb. Georgia could feasibly still lose to Kentucky, Auburn or us. Even if we lose we're still in a damn good spot. Or at least I feel like we are.
Now it's up to us to win the East.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:04 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I am not counting out anyone, especially Georgia. If their season's highlight is against us, they will bring their best game of the year. After how we defended the run this weekend, I would imagine UGA believes they can beat us. The Dawgs seem to always have good RBs.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:10 am to GatorBalls14
UGA still has Sony Michel & Keith Marshall..dont forget that. I am scared of # 84 on defense...he has to be blocked. UGAs defense is pretty good...but its their QB play thats mediocre and we have to make them throw.
On paper we should win...but we will have to play on grass.
On paper we should win...but we will have to play on grass.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:13 am to reel_gator8
I never thought i would say this this year but our defense cost us this game. Missed tackles, the secondary giving up big plays, completely blowing the coverage on the fake field goal.
The offense scored enough points to win the game if the defense had played up to par. I am not sold on the DC, this loss looked a lot like Miss State's defenses when he was there and he has much better talent at UF.
The offense scored enough points to win the game if the defense had played up to par. I am not sold on the DC, this loss looked a lot like Miss State's defenses when he was there and he has much better talent at UF.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:48 am to UFMatt
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I never thought i would say this this year but our defense cost us this game. Missed tackles, the secondary giving up big plays, completely blowing the coverage on the fake field goal.
The offense scored enough points to win the game if the defense had played up to par. I am not sold on the DC, this loss looked a lot like Miss State's defenses when he was there and he has much better talent at UF.
I wouldn't get too concerned *yet*. They've played lights out the rest of the year and let's face it: This was in a hostile environment with one of the best players to have ever set foot on the field in Fournette. It's hard to defend in that atmosphere, and they didn't do TOO bad.
And technically that fake field goal again, goes on our special teams. I still can't believe we didn't have our "fake" set on the field. Hell, I'd just line up in our regular defense every time LSU shows field goal formation at this point.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 3:07 pm to UFMatt
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I never thought i would say this this year but our defense cost us this game. Missed tackles, the secondary giving up big plays, completely blowing the coverage on the fake field goal
I think the DBs were so concerned with Fournette getting into the secondary that they lacked concentration in coverage. That's why the flea flicker was a great call. But, even with that call, Hargraves recovered and barely missed braking up the pass. I think they'll be dominant the rest of the season.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 4:40 pm to UFMatt
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UFMatt
Are you kidding me? The defense costs us the game? Were you watching the same game as I was?
Our"offense" scored 14 points...our special teams scored 14 points. Maybe you were getting something to drink when Callaway took punt to the house? Or when LSU muffed kickoff and gave us gift wrapped TD?
Missed tackles are part of every teams defense...players are faster, quicker and stronger than in years past. Did we get turned around in our secondary a couple of times? Yes, we are not perfect...no one is. LSU has a good team btw. Their OL kept us off B. Harris most of the time and the few times we did get in his face he was smart and got rid of it or outran us. I dare say I wish our OL could have done a little better.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 8:18 am to reel_gator8
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Are you kidding me? The defense costs us the game? Were you watching the same game as I was?
Not to argue with a fellow Gator but 28 pts should be enough points to win a football team if you have a solid defense. Remember, we are supposed to have one of the best defenses in the SEC, Nation, etc. It doesn't matter where the points come from 28 = 28. We missed tackles, blew coverage's, gave up big plays. I stand by 28 points was enough scoring to win the game had the defense played up to par, hence they cost us the game.
Go Gators.
Alright, i will rephrase. The mistakes by the defense contributed more than expected to the loss. The O line could have blocked better and the special teams could have covered the fake field goal. Treon could have been a little more accurate on some passes but our defense is supposed to be the rock on this team and they cracked Saturday night by giving up 28 points.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 8:25 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:27 am to reel_gator8
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The defense costs us the game? Were you watching the same game as I was?
They did. They gave up 423 yards and 28 points. They also didn't create any turnovers.
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Our"offense" scored 14 points...our special teams scored 14 points
No special teams scored 7, offense scored 21. We still had to move the ball 13 yards to score a TD after the muffed punt; stop refusing to give any credit to the offense. They were on the road at one of the loudest, most hostile stadiums in college football and they put up 21 points, the most points the offense had scored all year on the road. Our offense only managed 14 points at UK and Mizzou.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:04 am to gatorsimz
Blindness is a serious affliction. OUR OFFENSE scored 14 points no matter how you slice or dice it. 13 yds? Oh yeah our offense really responsible for that TD.
BTW our defense did caused 1 turnover....not talking about muffed kick either...that doesnt go in the turnover column. To lay this at the feet of our defense is silly imo...and thats the only one that counts
Watched the game replay last night and their # 92 Neal was in Treons face most of the night...especially since he rolled out to his side (LDE) on the right.
A big play was in the fourth qt when we marched down the field (thats when Callaway did peel back block I believe), we were around the LSU 35 and Treon was called for intentional grounding because he rolled back from his left and was inside tackle box. We still had chance and thats when we heaved up a prayer and Callaway almost came down with it. Treon was 0-6 at end of game...but pressure was the root cause. I myself would have been in the OLs faces and screaming at them to block. But even then when we went for it on fourth down with almost 4 minutes left cause McElwain knew damn well 1 timeout wasnt going to get us the ball back with LF...and I agree with his decision....basically...we were at our 45 yd line and Treon with only a 3 man rush heaved it into the end zone, if only it would have been inbounds and only if McGee would have caught it.
Basically it boils down to 55 yds rushing...you just cant win with that stat. Their DL stood up our OL and their OL kept B Harris sack free....end of story.
BTW our defense did caused 1 turnover....not talking about muffed kick either...that doesnt go in the turnover column. To lay this at the feet of our defense is silly imo...and thats the only one that counts
Watched the game replay last night and their # 92 Neal was in Treons face most of the night...especially since he rolled out to his side (LDE) on the right.
A big play was in the fourth qt when we marched down the field (thats when Callaway did peel back block I believe), we were around the LSU 35 and Treon was called for intentional grounding because he rolled back from his left and was inside tackle box. We still had chance and thats when we heaved up a prayer and Callaway almost came down with it. Treon was 0-6 at end of game...but pressure was the root cause. I myself would have been in the OLs faces and screaming at them to block. But even then when we went for it on fourth down with almost 4 minutes left cause McElwain knew damn well 1 timeout wasnt going to get us the ball back with LF...and I agree with his decision....basically...we were at our 45 yd line and Treon with only a 3 man rush heaved it into the end zone, if only it would have been inbounds and only if McGee would have caught it.
Basically it boils down to 55 yds rushing...you just cant win with that stat. Their DL stood up our OL and their OL kept B Harris sack free....end of story.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:31 pm to reel_gator8
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OUR OFFENSE scored 14 points no matter how you slice or dice it. 13 yds? Oh yeah our offense really responsible for that TD.
Yes, we had to move the ball 13 yards on offense to get 7 points. We don't score that TD under Muschamp.
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BTW our defense did caused 1 turnover....not talking about muffed kick either...that doesnt go in the turnover column.
VH3 forced a fumble that went out of bounds. It was a great play but not a turnover. Lucky break for them.
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Their DL stood up our OL and their OL kept B Harris sack free....end of story.
Agreed, they won the LOS battle.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 2:19 pm to reel_gator8
At the end of the day, with our current offensive limitations, although we are miles better than last year, we will not win many games where we have zero turnovers on offense and the defense gives up 28 points no matter what the excuse is. Go Gators, beat UG.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:29 pm to reel_gator8
Observation from the game - Defense is good. Offense can't run. Treon is not a 4th quarter QB at this time.
UF has a good shot to win the SEC east, but they I don't think they are a come back team anymore. Treon is the type of QB that needs to play with a lead in the 4th quarter. I hope he gets it and holds it for good against Georgia.
UF has a good shot to win the SEC east, but they I don't think they are a come back team anymore. Treon is the type of QB that needs to play with a lead in the 4th quarter. I hope he gets it and holds it for good against Georgia.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 4:18 pm to UFMatt
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UFMatt
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and the defense gives up 28 points no matter what the excuse is
Matt you sir are a genius...yes sir. You changed the entire concept of football and should be recognized for your acheivements. Never in a million years would I have thought that a TD caused entirely by muffed mutt at the 13 yd line and recovered by # 8 Nick Washington...who plays on DEFENSE and a punt return for TD by special teams play would be considered only the offense...and that LSUs points all came from our defensive failures. The fact that T. Harris was sacked FIVE times and three by # 93 Neal have anything to do with this? Naw.
We lost...time to move on. The week off is at a great time. Treon can get lions share of reps in practice. I do know one thing...our offense has to keep # 84 away from Treon. Floyd is one of the best defensive players in the SEC.
UGAs OL is pretty fair but LSU was slightly better. In a neutral site we should be able to fare much better. UGA will present a challenge on defense and our defense has to make them punt.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 4:46 pm to reel_gator8
OL finally showing it's butt like we thought it would. 9 sacks surrendered in the past 2 games.
That stat has to improve if UF wants to beat Georgia.
That stat has to improve if UF wants to beat Georgia.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 7:23 pm to slayerxing
I posted about # 75 and how he had to try and block # 92 Neal by himself most of the night....not good.
Our defense is fine and we will win if the offense doesnt allow 5 sacks and we can gain more than 55 yds rushing against the leghumpers. If we do that again...we will lose again.
I dont care if we have to bring Cox, Ivie or whoever from the defense to help run block..but we have to be in the range of 150 yds rushing to walk out of Jax a winner imo. I say run only 2 man routes unless we are facing third and more than 5 yds. If we can run block well enough...we wont face many 3rd and 5s...more like 3rd and 1-2s.
There are statistical certainties in college football and that is whoever runs for more yardage will win 89% of the time....with other 11% usually the result of bad special team play or turnovers negating the rushing advantage. We can throw for 375 yds and still lose game (and probably would because it means we are behind in the score)...we wont lose if we rush for 375.
How do we get 150 yds rushing against a pretty good UGA defense? Thats the question and I think having extra OL or DL to run block is the only way. Taylor cant avg 3.2 yds a carry or whatever...we wont give it to him 45 times. Of course if we can LIMIT the UGA rushing yds...then we have a chance even if we dont reach 150 yds.
We cant be one dimensional. Treon would be under duress all game long. Ivey now has 2 more weeks of snaps and should be getting to the point of showing folks what he is made of. Sharpe and Thurman have to step up. # 75 will need help....cause Im sure UGA coaches are looking at what Neal did to him and they are getting an erection.
Is Taylor able to block a 250-265 lb DE to help # 75? I doubt it. Bring in the DL to help out. Of course we cant just run when we have 7 OL in the game or UGA will defend the run big time....same for having 5 OL..we cant always throw or same thing happens.
Our defense is fine and we will win if the offense doesnt allow 5 sacks and we can gain more than 55 yds rushing against the leghumpers. If we do that again...we will lose again.
I dont care if we have to bring Cox, Ivie or whoever from the defense to help run block..but we have to be in the range of 150 yds rushing to walk out of Jax a winner imo. I say run only 2 man routes unless we are facing third and more than 5 yds. If we can run block well enough...we wont face many 3rd and 5s...more like 3rd and 1-2s.
There are statistical certainties in college football and that is whoever runs for more yardage will win 89% of the time....with other 11% usually the result of bad special team play or turnovers negating the rushing advantage. We can throw for 375 yds and still lose game (and probably would because it means we are behind in the score)...we wont lose if we rush for 375.
How do we get 150 yds rushing against a pretty good UGA defense? Thats the question and I think having extra OL or DL to run block is the only way. Taylor cant avg 3.2 yds a carry or whatever...we wont give it to him 45 times. Of course if we can LIMIT the UGA rushing yds...then we have a chance even if we dont reach 150 yds.
We cant be one dimensional. Treon would be under duress all game long. Ivey now has 2 more weeks of snaps and should be getting to the point of showing folks what he is made of. Sharpe and Thurman have to step up. # 75 will need help....cause Im sure UGA coaches are looking at what Neal did to him and they are getting an erection.
Is Taylor able to block a 250-265 lb DE to help # 75? I doubt it. Bring in the DL to help out. Of course we cant just run when we have 7 OL in the game or UGA will defend the run big time....same for having 5 OL..we cant always throw or same thing happens.
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