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Posted on 10/15/17 at 7:56 am
Posted on 10/15/17 at 7:56 am
We have only scored more than 30 points 4 times in our last 27 games, dating back to the Ole Miss game on October 3rd 2015.
These four offensive 'show-outs' were against teams who were/are a combined 19-25 in their respective 2016/17 seasons:
Kentucky (45)
North Texas (32)
Mizzou (40)
Vandy (38)
We have scored 597 points over those 27 games at an average of 22.11 points per game. In 2016, 115 FBS teams averaged more than 22.11 points per game.
Dear Jim and Doug.
You say "The plan is good, the execution needs to get a little better."
Can you please explain for me, a confused, frustrated (and I guess, clearly rather stupid) fan:
* Why the overall plan remains 'good' in your eyes?
* Whether a W-L record of 16-11 (with just two of those 16 wins vs ranked teams) during that span suggests the plan is still 'good'?
* At what point, as a coaching staff, does "failing to execute" shift from being the players' fault, to an issue related to the coaching they have received over the past two years?
* Given that our D points allowed average per game has leapt up from 16.7 PPG to 28 PPG this year, how will making the execution a 'little better' cover the drop off defensively?
See, Jim. I really like you. I've been rooting for you like you couldn't believe and I want you to succeed so desperately. You seem like a genuinely great guy but I'll let you in on a secret. (Pssst, don't tell anyone... huddle up!)... the last guy, he used to go to Press Conferences and say "That's on me, I'm going to get it fixed." Then nothing changed, you see. And what worries me is I'm now noting a recurring pattern with you and yours - when we lose especially, but also when we sneak a fortunate victory. It seems to me that you're playing to a similar Muschamp media tune of late. You definitely seem like a humble guy, so a piece of friendly advice - I think you're in enough bother at the moment (and certainly figure to be two weeks from now) to admit that at least some of this is on the coaching staff. No, I don't mean just you - yes, you're a stand up guy and you understand the 'buck stops at the top blah blah blah...' I mean your offensive coaching staff. Our Playcalling. Our Identity. Our Strategy. The fans can see this. The sports media certinly sees it (and loves to take the free swings at us that our team is giving them). Why can't you?
Come on, Jim. Tell us you see what we see. Tell us you admit that you need a rethink. Say we really need a great recruiting class to come in. Genuinely, it might give you a little more time to get it turned around.- because once you lose the fan base, you'll be a dead man walking.
And in case you haven't seen it Jim, a little hint; our offense has been a hot mess since Will Grier left over 2 years ago. You need to make some fairly drastic changes to the way we play football rather than sticking a band aid on it. And fyi, the last guy learned this lesson WAY too late and it cost him his job. But you're smarter than him...
Doug? My mother taught me that if I had nothing nice to say, I shouldn't say it at all.
Have a good day, fella.
These four offensive 'show-outs' were against teams who were/are a combined 19-25 in their respective 2016/17 seasons:
Kentucky (45)
North Texas (32)
Mizzou (40)
Vandy (38)
We have scored 597 points over those 27 games at an average of 22.11 points per game. In 2016, 115 FBS teams averaged more than 22.11 points per game.
Dear Jim and Doug.
You say "The plan is good, the execution needs to get a little better."
Can you please explain for me, a confused, frustrated (and I guess, clearly rather stupid) fan:
* Why the overall plan remains 'good' in your eyes?
* Whether a W-L record of 16-11 (with just two of those 16 wins vs ranked teams) during that span suggests the plan is still 'good'?
* At what point, as a coaching staff, does "failing to execute" shift from being the players' fault, to an issue related to the coaching they have received over the past two years?
* Given that our D points allowed average per game has leapt up from 16.7 PPG to 28 PPG this year, how will making the execution a 'little better' cover the drop off defensively?
See, Jim. I really like you. I've been rooting for you like you couldn't believe and I want you to succeed so desperately. You seem like a genuinely great guy but I'll let you in on a secret. (Pssst, don't tell anyone... huddle up!)... the last guy, he used to go to Press Conferences and say "That's on me, I'm going to get it fixed." Then nothing changed, you see. And what worries me is I'm now noting a recurring pattern with you and yours - when we lose especially, but also when we sneak a fortunate victory. It seems to me that you're playing to a similar Muschamp media tune of late. You definitely seem like a humble guy, so a piece of friendly advice - I think you're in enough bother at the moment (and certainly figure to be two weeks from now) to admit that at least some of this is on the coaching staff. No, I don't mean just you - yes, you're a stand up guy and you understand the 'buck stops at the top blah blah blah...' I mean your offensive coaching staff. Our Playcalling. Our Identity. Our Strategy. The fans can see this. The sports media certinly sees it (and loves to take the free swings at us that our team is giving them). Why can't you?
Come on, Jim. Tell us you see what we see. Tell us you admit that you need a rethink. Say we really need a great recruiting class to come in. Genuinely, it might give you a little more time to get it turned around.- because once you lose the fan base, you'll be a dead man walking.
And in case you haven't seen it Jim, a little hint; our offense has been a hot mess since Will Grier left over 2 years ago. You need to make some fairly drastic changes to the way we play football rather than sticking a band aid on it. And fyi, the last guy learned this lesson WAY too late and it cost him his job. But you're smarter than him...
Doug? My mother taught me that if I had nothing nice to say, I shouldn't say it at all.
Have a good day, fella.
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 2:40 pm to slayerxing
Slayer, maybe Mac needs to break down and apologize to you?
Yes, I like HCs who take blame after bad games...Spurrier was the best. He would say "we got outcoached". Maybe you don't know or are too young to recall the glory days of 1990-2001. We got the crap beat out of us by Syracuse, Moo State absolutely took us behind the woodshed (when we had Jesse Palmer and a r/s frosh Grossman), we got shellacked by UT in 1992 and started out 0-2 in SEC play....but recovered. We let Nueter Dame come back in the second half and beat us in the Sugar Bowl ( we had injuries...sound familiar? ), we got beat by AU in 2001 when they were an awful team and we were ranked # 1 in the country. Spurrier let Grossman throw wounded ducks deep time after time in 40-55 mph wind gusts...picked off 3 times as I recall. The girls school owned us, but we owned everybody else.
I think Mac is an optimistic coach who isn't a screamer so much as a reinforce to help bolster players confidence in themselves. We had a great HC back when Spurrier was at UF, Ray Graves...a humble God fearing man who taught discipline/pride/honesty and let his OC and DC do their jobs.
The proof will be in the pudding after 2018, if we are even average on offense and don't have a 10 win or better season....then it will be time for a change....but 9 wins will probably get him another year....even though I wont be happy...or will most fans be all that thrilled.
Yes, I like HCs who take blame after bad games...Spurrier was the best. He would say "we got outcoached". Maybe you don't know or are too young to recall the glory days of 1990-2001. We got the crap beat out of us by Syracuse, Moo State absolutely took us behind the woodshed (when we had Jesse Palmer and a r/s frosh Grossman), we got shellacked by UT in 1992 and started out 0-2 in SEC play....but recovered. We let Nueter Dame come back in the second half and beat us in the Sugar Bowl ( we had injuries...sound familiar? ), we got beat by AU in 2001 when they were an awful team and we were ranked # 1 in the country. Spurrier let Grossman throw wounded ducks deep time after time in 40-55 mph wind gusts...picked off 3 times as I recall. The girls school owned us, but we owned everybody else.
I think Mac is an optimistic coach who isn't a screamer so much as a reinforce to help bolster players confidence in themselves. We had a great HC back when Spurrier was at UF, Ray Graves...a humble God fearing man who taught discipline/pride/honesty and let his OC and DC do their jobs.
The proof will be in the pudding after 2018, if we are even average on offense and don't have a 10 win or better season....then it will be time for a change....but 9 wins will probably get him another year....even though I wont be happy...or will most fans be all that thrilled.
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:02 pm to reel_gator8
I'd doubt he gets two more years of this. He is just an average coach. Just average
Posted on 10/15/17 at 4:31 pm to reel_gator8
I have clear memories of gator football from 91 forward. I lack the context of the mediocrity of the 60s thru 80s.
I think historical comparisons are a neat exercise but otherwise meaningless.
The question we should be asking:
1. Is UF playing good football?
2. Is the direction of the program clearly positive?
3. If the answer to either question is no, is there any reason to think this staff in its current form can quickly resolve the issue?
That's what matters. And I think most people would have a few "nos" to those questions.
I think historical comparisons are a neat exercise but otherwise meaningless.
The question we should be asking:
1. Is UF playing good football?
2. Is the direction of the program clearly positive?
3. If the answer to either question is no, is there any reason to think this staff in its current form can quickly resolve the issue?
That's what matters. And I think most people would have a few "nos" to those questions.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 5:00 pm to slayerxing
Oline is the best its been in years. We've ran the ball on many teams ppl said we woudnt be able to.
Backfield is strong with young talent. Davis would be a beast with a QB keeping defenses honest.
Dline is a strength
Linebackers are young and improving.
Secondary is playing better each week imo.
WE NEED A QB to take what the defenses give us to keep the chains moving. Watching the int in the EZ with a wide open TE to the far side of the field is our situation in a nutshell.
Backfield is strong with young talent. Davis would be a beast with a QB keeping defenses honest.
Dline is a strength
Linebackers are young and improving.
Secondary is playing better each week imo.
WE NEED A QB to take what the defenses give us to keep the chains moving. Watching the int in the EZ with a wide open TE to the far side of the field is our situation in a nutshell.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 5:02 pm to slayerxing
You misunderstood the context of my reply..I loved Spurrier and he took us from a God awful offensive team in 1988-89 (part of that due to NCAA jail time and reduced schollys) to an offensive juggernaut. He also inherited a stout defense.
He under recruited until Zook was an asst coach and HE was an amazing recruiter. Spurrier could then play more golf.
What I meant was we suffered some bad losses and Spurrier would say he was outcoached most of the time. He also defended his players and when Danny was hit late time and again in 1996 he was extremely vocal. Zook didn't protest the obvious shite calls we got from acc refs.
He under recruited until Zook was an asst coach and HE was an amazing recruiter. Spurrier could then play more golf.
What I meant was we suffered some bad losses and Spurrier would say he was outcoached most of the time. He also defended his players and when Danny was hit late time and again in 1996 he was extremely vocal. Zook didn't protest the obvious shite calls we got from acc refs.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 5:10 pm to dbuchanon
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Oline is the best its been in years. We've ran the ball on many teams ppl said we woudnt be able to.
Backfield is strong with young talent. Davis would be a beast with a QB keeping defenses honest.
Dline is a strength
Linebackers are young and improving.
Secondary is playing better each week imo.
WE NEED A QB to take what the defenses give us to keep the chains moving. Watching the int in the EZ with a wide open TE to the far side of the field is our situation in a nutshell.
Yep, outside of the QB, everything improved. What's funny, too, is that these people would have said nothing if he'd've won those two games. No ''he's a terrible coach'', ''he's mediocre'', etc. etc..
They also said: ''Idc if we lose close games to good teams...'' Well, we lost two -- and we kept it very close. Both games are wins if he gets his quarterback -- he finally got one.
Gator fans have never been patient, but running off an HC who is doing all he can with fewer bodies than normal.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 5:15 pm to dbuchanon
^^ OLine is the best it's been in years? That's not saying much. This OLine is average at best. Can't protect the QB, can't line up correctly, too many dumb penalties that kill drives. I have no idea what you are seeing? A good OLine would automatically make an offense put up points. This team is point deficient.
Backfield isn't putting up points so I don't agree them being strong like UGA.
Linebackers are the worst I've seen at UF in 30+ years. They are slow as shite as well. Give up too many big plays. Did you really mention these LB's?
Secondary is good but not earth shattering.
This team is just as bad as last years team, just as bad as the year before. The offense is still bad and now the defense is okay. This program is not on an upswing no matter how much you tell yourself differently.
Backfield isn't putting up points so I don't agree them being strong like UGA.
Linebackers are the worst I've seen at UF in 30+ years. They are slow as shite as well. Give up too many big plays. Did you really mention these LB's?
Secondary is good but not earth shattering.
This team is just as bad as last years team, just as bad as the year before. The offense is still bad and now the defense is okay. This program is not on an upswing no matter how much you tell yourself differently.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 5:32 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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^^ OLine is the best it's been in years?
Yes.
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Backfield isn't putting up points so I don't agree them being strong like UGA.
They're running harder than anyone on Muschamp's team.
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Linebackers are the worst I've seen at UF in 30+ years.
That's incredibly debatable. Although, losing two scholarship linebackers before the season started didn't help.
I don't think the backers are bad, I think they just have no depth behind the starters due to suspensions.
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They are slow as shite as well. Give up too many big plays. Did you really mention these LB's?
Definitely not on them -- it's been on the safeties and...
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Secondary is good but not earth shattering.
For four underclassmen to be in your secondary and shut texas A&M down is actually Earth Shattering. It appears that Washington was a hinderance, and his Freshman replacement looked the part.
Just for reference:
Their whole team had 263 yards against us.
Their quarterback alone got 237 against Alabama last week.
That's pretty fricking good with two true freshmen cornerbacks in rotation, two sophomore safeties.
The team is young (due to suspensions) and will absolutely be better next year barring credit craud fraud part two.
We finally got a real deal quarterback, the receivers look better, the running backs look better and we're utilizing tight ends for other than blocking and the Oline is giving a nice pocket and time for Franks.
Now we just gotta replace Franks, and the offense is fine.
The defense completely changed this last game with Washington out, and is improving every week even with all of the injuries.
We lost a close game to capable opponent two weeks in a row with depleted rosters and freshmen all over the field, it will get better.
But we just have a shitton of crybaby fans with expectations of hanging with Alabama when we couldn't even hang with Georgia Southern four years ago. It's gonna take some time to rebuild.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 5:34 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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OLine is the best it's been in years?
Uh, Yes. You forget 3 years ago we had an ivy school transfer on the oline? Its night and day
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Can't protect the QB,
How many of those are on the QB?
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can't line up correctly
How the hell does the oline not like up correctly? Wth you talking about?
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? A good OLine would automatically make an offense put up points. This team is point deficient.
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A good OLine would automatically make an offense put up points. This team is point deficient.
Not with a QB missing wide open targets and defenses stacking the box due to mo pass threat
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They are slow as shite as well.
You are high
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Secondary is good but not earth shattering.
Mostly freshmen. LSU had one WR catch last week
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defense is okay
Defense held A&M to one of their lowest outputs of the season. Held LSU in check in the 2nd half last week.
Its funny you guys talk about how bad this team is, yet in the same breath say a new HC would have them winning again. So which is it? If the team is devoid of talent, a new HC would take another 3-4 years to win here.
I already said im done with the offensive woes each week. But to say there is no improvement in certain areas or talent is just shortsighted.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 6:26 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
I want Mac gone...but this is just a bad post.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 6:33 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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^^ OLine is the best it's been in years? That's not saying much. This OLine is average at best. Can't protect the QB, can't line up correctly, too many dumb penalties that kill drives. I have no idea what you are seeing? A good OLine would automatically make an offense put up points. This team is point deficient.
Backfield isn't putting up points so I don't agree them being strong like UGA.
Linebackers are the worst I've seen at UF in 30+ years. They are slow as shite as well. Give up too many big plays. Did you really mention these LB's?
Secondary is good but not earth shattering.
This team is just as bad as last years team, just as bad as the year before. The offense is still bad and now the defense is okay. This program is not on an upswing no matter how much you tell yourself differently.
Blaming players is bullshite. It is fricking foul and pathetic when they put in blood, sweat and tears that you would never know what it's like.
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