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Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:46 am
Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:46 am
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Somewhat incredibly, Florida has fallen all the way from 54 percent in 2014 to 37 percent now, easily the lowest they’ve been in a decade. The reason is the inability to land star players in 2014-16, with only 23 four- and five-stars among 70 signees. Jim McElwain shook up his staff, it paid dividends in the 2017 class, and the Gators are in line to sign an elite crop in the 2018 cycle. It’s Florida; the Gators should never be signing fewer star players than 18 other teams in a four-year period.
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:39 am to slayerxing
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Specifically what are our thoughts on this:
Somewhat incredibly, Florida has fallen all the way from 54 percent in 2014 to 37 percent now, easily the lowest they’ve been in a decade. The reason is the inability to land star players in 2014-16, with only 23 four- and five-stars among 70 signees. Jim McElwain shook up his staff, it paid dividends in the 2017 class, and the Gators are in line to sign an elite crop in the 2018 cycle. It’s Florida; the Gators should never be signing fewer star players than 18 other teams in a four-year period.
Recruiting is all about getting players that will produce. It is the lifeblood of a program.
Muschamp was always top 10 or top 5 in the SEC but still went 4-8 in his third year.
I could cherry pick our former players that were 3*s that were great and the 5*s that sucked. Not going to do that because we know who they are. I will say that I like UF's 2017 roster a lot more than the 2014 roster.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:41 am to BloodSweat&Beers
I agree with this, but I also agree that recruiting had to improve and it's obvious that the new hires helped the end of the 2017 class and the 2018 and 2019 classes are set to be even better.
I think we'll be back up over 50% by 2018 signing day. Mac is showing the ability to recruit blue chip guys now, and I think he's proven to be able to evaluate good 3 star contributors. I'm excited about the future.
I think we'll be back up over 50% by 2018 signing day. Mac is showing the ability to recruit blue chip guys now, and I think he's proven to be able to evaluate good 3 star contributors. I'm excited about the future.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:25 am to atlgator
Muschamp had us there with 90% of the 50+ on defense. He crippled the roster from a balance standpoint to the tune of a minimal 3 year rebuild.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:35 am to gatordmb89
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He crippled the roster from a balance standpoint to the tune of a minimal 3 year rebuild.
This!!
Posted on 8/22/17 at 12:23 pm to atlgator
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I agree with this, but I also agree that recruiting had to improve and it's obvious that the new hires helped the end of the 2017 class and the 2018 and 2019 classes are set to be even better.
I think we'll be back up over 50% by 2018 signing day. Mac is showing the ability to recruit blue chip guys now, and I think he's proven to be able to evaluate good 3 star contributors. I'm excited about the future.
Less Nick Buchanan's, More Martez Ivey's
On the flip side, I will take Joey Ivey over any of the DTs from the 2014 class of Willis, Holley, and Clark.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 3:16 pm to slayerxing
I don't think you can ever look at just 1 statistics and expect to have clear predictive qualities, especially in college football, as to specific performance - but I bet the champion comes off that list, just like he said.
But on paper, this is the least talented UF has been in a long while, and they will be relying on a lot of 3 stars to play above their on paper scores this year, especially on defense and the OL.
It'll be interesting to see how things shake out this year as far as player performance. It could go a long way in cementing Mac as a magician at talent evaluation.
But on paper, this is the least talented UF has been in a long while, and they will be relying on a lot of 3 stars to play above their on paper scores this year, especially on defense and the OL.
It'll be interesting to see how things shake out this year as far as player performance. It could go a long way in cementing Mac as a magician at talent evaluation.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 6:55 pm to slayerxing
It's odd because if you look at the skilled talent it's light years ahead of where it was under Muschamp. Tons of talent to score the football this year.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:49 pm to gatordmb89
It's a much more balanced roster with better skill players no doubt.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:26 pm to slayerxing
I'm a bit worried at the lack of star power on the defense, but I'll give it this class at least.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 3:39 am to slayerxing
No comment as to the overall talent level but this class is a step in getting us back to the top.
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:31 pm to slayerxing
This has been my big sticking point on Mac. I think he develops players well. He spots diamonds in the rough. However; you win with blue chips. That is just a fact. Every national title winner since as far back as 24/7 goes, has won with a high blue chip number. It's just what it is. End of the day. The more blue chips, the more talented. Ratings are based on their athletic ability more than anything. Five stars are generally freaks of nature players. Must haves. Sure, some will fail with poor attitude or coaching. But Spikes, Harvin, Tebow, Hargreaves, Bullard, Harvey, etc...our list of incredible five stars should convince everyone these are a must on a great team.
We can develop lesser talent to an extent. We need more blue chips. Being under 40 percent is the worst Florida has been since Spurrier started bringing in his classes. That is an issue. A major one. Luckily, he is doing very well this class. We need a few stud defenders though.
We can develop lesser talent to an extent. We need more blue chips. Being under 40 percent is the worst Florida has been since Spurrier started bringing in his classes. That is an issue. A major one. Luckily, he is doing very well this class. We need a few stud defenders though.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:34 am to Gatorbait2008
I'm worried the lack of blue chip talent, especially on defense, will tank this season. It has been a nagging worry all off season. Especially if UF has a lot of injuries again.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:16 am to Gatorbait2008
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However; you win with blue chips.
LOL, it's so different hearing that around here after listening to everyone say recruiting doesn't matter.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 9:12 am to finchmeister08
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LOL, it's so different hearing that around here after listening to everyone say recruiting doesn't matter.
Recruiting absolutely matters. What does not matter are stars. It is about getting players who will produce on the field not a ranking largely based off of camps and 7 on 7.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 10:08 am to finchmeister08
I maintain that people only ever say stars don't matter when they aren't getting the best players.
When we start getting top 5 recruiting classes again, people will tout our amazing classes. They did it under Meyer and they will do it again when it comes back around here.
When we start getting top 5 recruiting classes again, people will tout our amazing classes. They did it under Meyer and they will do it again when it comes back around here.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:56 am to slayerxing
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I maintain that people only ever say stars don't matter when they aren't getting the best players.
When we start getting top 5 recruiting classes again, people will tout our amazing classes. They did it under Meyer and they will do it again when it comes back around here.
When a coach has success, their offer causes recruiting services to bump up that recruit. The Bama bump is real.
Also recruiting services do not look at roster balance. Muschamp had top 10 classes 3 out of the 4 years, but OL and WR talent and depth was extremely lacking when Mac was hired.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 3:15 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
It didn't help the OL lost 5 guys to medical hardship before Mac coached a game. WR recruiting was trash.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:39 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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Recruiting absolutely matters. What does not matter are stars.
what are the odds that 3* athlete will outperform a 5* athlete? they're obviously 5* and 3*s for a reason. if they don't matter so much, let's eliminate them all together.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:28 pm to finchmeister08
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what are the odds that 3* athlete will outperform a 5* athlete? they're obviously 5* and 3*s for a reason. if they don't matter so much, let's eliminate them all together.
There's a saying that a 3 star from SoFla is a 5 star anywhere else.
I typically would agree that it's more likely a 5 star will be better than a 3 star, but I would also say that I trust Mac's evaluations. He's got several 3 stars out of high school that have played well above their recruiting ranking in his two seasons so far. And he's got them playing and contributing at a high level early in their career. David Reese was a Freshman All SEC guy, Jawaan Taylor was a freshman All American, and we all know what guys like Vosean Joseph, Tyler Jordan, Kylan Johnson, and Antonio Callaway have meant to our team. I think Mac has shown he can evaluate beyond recruiting rankings in his time here. He hasn't given me a reason (yet) to not trust his judgement on kids who can or cannot play.
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