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Posted on 6/16/16 at 10:59 pm to TJGator1215
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Nope. Just an observation. Last year was very similar to 2012.
Except that whole winning the East thing.
Look, we get it, you're a "wait and see", but the problem is that almost every bad condition that Mac is dealing with is a Muschamp problem.
Almost every problem Muschamp had was a Muschamp problem.
Remember that time Brisset went to another school and did pretty goddamn great?
Remember that other time Driskel went to another school and outperformed himself in one year for all years combined at Florida?
I'm going to tell you a striking difference between Mac and Mus: Mac can coach a team. It sucks that Muschamp drove us into a ditch, but there's nothing you can do with nobody on offense.
We're now seeing that Muschamp had a pretty stocked team, the worst recruiting classes for a while and just couldn't get it done.
There are TONS of differences between 2012 and last year, but you're only looking at numbers. You haven't once that I know of, actually talked about how Mac had NOTHING on offense. There are currently three quarterbacks that were on Muschamp's team who went on to have extremely successful years elsewhere.
Mac came in, got the job done, and if not for Grier's steroids might have actually pulled a miracle. Goddamn, when we finally get some experience on our team we're going to be good.
Three freshmen offensive lineman rotating on the OL. Two upperclassmen offensive lineman on the entire roster who actually played a game.
Two true freshmen running backs.
One serviceable receiver.
One serviceable quarterback. (Who was a RFreshman.)
No kicker.
Please, explain to me what you expect from him with that going on offense?
If he even had a decent offense, he would've won every game outside of Alabama and Michigan. We're in excellent hands, I don't see any reason (at this point) to get worried at all.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 11:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Calm down. Driskel was here when Mac was hired. He left after Mac arrived. Yes the OL is young but you don't keep trotting Treon out there. Bench him and try Guy. Yes WM lost to UGA on a FUMBLE BY REED. UF needed a missed fg by UT, a fg by Hardin, a missed PI vs FAU and a fumble to beat ECU. This staff maybe better organized but to say Mac is world's better is unknown right now. Especially if the defensive recruiting is still awful. It was WM defense that saved US from 6-6 or worse. Mac is a huge ? Still. Hopefully LDR is the real deal because this year's schedule works out great. Next years will be a bitch and the defense will be young and we'll need the offense to win our games.
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 7:21 am to TJGator1215
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Calm down. Driskel was here when Mac was hired. He left after Mac arrived. Yes the OL is young but you don't keep trotting Treon out there. Bench him and try Guy. Yes WM lost to UGA on a FUMBLE BY REED. UF needed a missed fg by UT, a fg by Hardin, a missed PI vs FAU and a fumble to beat ECU. This staff maybe better organized but to say Mac is world's better is unknown right now. Especially if the defensive recruiting is still awful. It was WM defense that saved US from 6-6 or worse. Mac is a huge ? Still. Hopefully LDR is the real deal because this year's schedule works out great. Next years will be a bitch and the defense will be young and we'll need the offense to win our games.
It was not Will Muschamp's defense. Will Muschamp's defense let Georgia Southern control the game.
You can argue it was Will Muschamp's players. All of the players outside of Hargreaves had more production under the new coaches.
Most of Muschamp's success was with Urban's players. When the good ones left the team went 4-8.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 8:46 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You can't ever judge a coach after 1 year. I have my doubts still, but feel better now than I did after Muschamp year 2. Anyone that was looking closely back then could see the cracks in that foundation.
The only thing that concerns me at this point is the dip in recruiting. We'll see if that is just perception or reality in a year or 2.
The only thing that concerns me at this point is the dip in recruiting. We'll see if that is just perception or reality in a year or 2.
Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:14 pm to slayerxing
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You can't ever judge a coach after 1 year. I have my doubts still, but feel better now than I did after Muschamp year 2. Anyone that was looking closely back then could see the cracks in that foundation.
I got absolutely railed a few years ago for talking badly about that year. But, if you did indeed watch it closely, you could see that Muschamp had no real plan. Mac FEELS like he's had a program before, and yes, the recruiting is a problem but it's not going to be if we start winning again.
I feel like Mac is a great chance for that.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 9:19 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
TN taking all our 3* players.
In all seriousness, UTs last class and this one seem to be pretty meh. Butch has lost some steam on the trail it seems.
In all seriousness, UTs last class and this one seem to be pretty meh. Butch has lost some steam on the trail it seems.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 5:48 pm to gatordmb89
Eventually you need to see results on the field in order to continue recruiting at the highest level.
I'm sure the bad press at UT hasn't helped much either.
I'm sure the bad press at UT hasn't helped much either.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 11:28 pm to slayerxing
UT just got. DT 4* Kivon Bennett and Harbaugh just got 4* Aubrey Solomon. JH is kicking arse in FL.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 6:05 pm to TJGator1215
Harbaugh is an amazing recruiter.
He's a good on field coach too.
Michigan lucked out at him being available at that time.
He's a good on field coach too.
Michigan lucked out at him being available at that time.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:07 am to slayerxing
Harbaugh is great at getting their brand out. He has Michigan in the news constantly.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:14 am to gatordmb89
Murder brought Tyrie Cleveland to Texas, new lease on life returns him to Florida
Posted : 3 days ago
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Florida freshman wide receiver Tyrie Cleveland.
Zach Abolverdi
SEC Country Staff
Editor’s note: This is the latest installment of the “Next Up” series, which profiles the signees from Florida’s 2016 class. SEC Country traveled around the South to visit the recruits before they reported to campus.
HOUSTON — The memory of his brother’s murder remains for Tyrie Cleveland, but he handles the pain differently.
Cleveland no longer bottles his emotions inside him. He pours them out on the gridiron.
“The best thing that ever happened to me was being able to play this game of football,” Cleveland said. “It saved my life.”
Born and raised in Jacksonville, Fla., Cleveland lived in an area that contributed to the city becoming Florida’s murder capital.
He was 13 when the wrath of that deadly violence hit home. An assailant murdered his older brother, Timmie Johnson, who died at 19 years old. Police made an arrest in the case, but charges were never filed.
“It was tough losing him, someone I was so close to. We talked every day,” Cleveland said. “To wake up one day and he’s not there, it was hard for me.
“Where I grew up, a lot of cruel and harsh things happened in my neighborhood. I’ve seen things I wouldn’t want any little kid to go through.”
The months that followed made it even worse on Cleveland. His mother, Tracy Colton, decided to relocate to Houston with Cleveland and his younger brother, wanting to get them away from Jacksonville. Cleveland left his hometown in the middle of his eighth-grade year.
“It was a tough move,” Cleveland said. “My whole family lives in Florida, so leaving them to start new was difficult. I resisted for a few days, but that didn’t work. I couldn’t argue about the situation. I had to go.”
Cleveland’s discomfort didn’t end there. His mother came to Houston as a way to cope with Johnson’s death, but it only drove her into depression. After a couple months, Colton returned to Jacksonville to grieve while her boys stayed with their aunt, Theresa Yancey.
“My sister thought Houston was somewhere she wanted to be,” Yancey said. “But once she got here and hadn’t really gotten over my nephew, it just really stuck with her emotionally. She wanted to go back, but they were in school and they were settled. We just thought the environment here would be better, and it would give my sister some time to deal with the loss of her son.”
At the time, Cleveland couldn’t process what was happening. He was in a new state without the two family members who had been with him his entire life.
“He went into this shell,” Yancey said. “Naturally, he felt abandoned and that his mom didn’t love him. On top of that, he’s miles away from home and doesn’t know anybody. Texas was a culture shock for him. It was a big adjustment.”
Tyrie Cleveland by Zach Abolverdi
Tyrie Cleveland is the nation’s No. 2 wide receiver in the Class of 2016, according to the 247Sports Composite. (Photo by Zach Abolverdi/AJC)
Yancey said students initially picked on Cleveland for being from Florida. That changed once he laced up his cleats.
“When I got up here, I had to adapt,” Cleveland said. “I had to find where I fit in, and that was on the football field.”
Cleveland first began playing the sport when his mother signed him up for little league, and his older brother always encouraged him to stick with it.
“He’s one of the reasons I chose to play football, him and my mom,” Cleveland said. “He was living the wrong life and it eventually caught up with him. He told me to stay in my place, stay in sports, stay in school.
“He actually had a positive influence on me. He didn’t want to see me at places he hung out. Fortunately for me, I was able to escape.”
Once Cleveland latched onto high school football in Texas, his life finally took a turn for the better. He quickly moved up to the varsity team at Westfield High School and started receiving scholarship offers after his sophomore season.
“He had so much bottled up and just let it out when he got on the field. That’s how he expressed himself,” said Yancey, with whom Cleveland has lived the last four years. “He made sure what happened to his brother wouldn’t happen to him. It saddened him, but yet it pushed him to be the best he could be.
“That motivation will always stay with him. It’s one of those memories you don’t forget. The pain won’t ever go away, but he knows how to deal with his brother’s murder now that he’s matured. The memory of it propelled him to want to be successful.”
Cleveland also has built a better relationship with his mother, who still resides in Jacksonville. He now understands the decisions she made years ago, and they’ve been communicating more by phone.
The Under Armour All-American wide receiver wants to use his football career as a way to honor his family, something about which his aunt has advised him.
“He’s trying to make up for things that have happened,” Yancey said. “Leaving a legacy is wonderful, but sometimes we can become too busy trying to do things for others. He needs to do what he loves first and foremost, and I believe this is in his heart.
“Football will come and go, but we need to break these generational curses. We have relatives in prison. He knows his roots and where he comes from, so he wants our next generation to be college graduates and children with careers.”
Cleveland left Florida four years ago because of his brother’s murder. He’ll return to the Sunshine State this month to spend the next four years playing for the Gators.
“Something good came out of all this,” Cleveland said. “I know my brother would be proud of the decisions I’ve made. He got trapped in this box they call the streets, and he couldn’t get on the other side of the wall. That’s not where you want to be.
“I’m just thankful I climbed that wall and made it out.”
Posted : 3 days ago
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Zach Abolverdi/AJC
Florida freshman wide receiver Tyrie Cleveland.
Zach Abolverdi
SEC Country Staff
Editor’s note: This is the latest installment of the “Next Up” series, which profiles the signees from Florida’s 2016 class. SEC Country traveled around the South to visit the recruits before they reported to campus.
HOUSTON — The memory of his brother’s murder remains for Tyrie Cleveland, but he handles the pain differently.
Cleveland no longer bottles his emotions inside him. He pours them out on the gridiron.
“The best thing that ever happened to me was being able to play this game of football,” Cleveland said. “It saved my life.”
Born and raised in Jacksonville, Fla., Cleveland lived in an area that contributed to the city becoming Florida’s murder capital.
He was 13 when the wrath of that deadly violence hit home. An assailant murdered his older brother, Timmie Johnson, who died at 19 years old. Police made an arrest in the case, but charges were never filed.
“It was tough losing him, someone I was so close to. We talked every day,” Cleveland said. “To wake up one day and he’s not there, it was hard for me.
“Where I grew up, a lot of cruel and harsh things happened in my neighborhood. I’ve seen things I wouldn’t want any little kid to go through.”
The months that followed made it even worse on Cleveland. His mother, Tracy Colton, decided to relocate to Houston with Cleveland and his younger brother, wanting to get them away from Jacksonville. Cleveland left his hometown in the middle of his eighth-grade year.
“It was a tough move,” Cleveland said. “My whole family lives in Florida, so leaving them to start new was difficult. I resisted for a few days, but that didn’t work. I couldn’t argue about the situation. I had to go.”
Cleveland’s discomfort didn’t end there. His mother came to Houston as a way to cope with Johnson’s death, but it only drove her into depression. After a couple months, Colton returned to Jacksonville to grieve while her boys stayed with their aunt, Theresa Yancey.
“My sister thought Houston was somewhere she wanted to be,” Yancey said. “But once she got here and hadn’t really gotten over my nephew, it just really stuck with her emotionally. She wanted to go back, but they were in school and they were settled. We just thought the environment here would be better, and it would give my sister some time to deal with the loss of her son.”
At the time, Cleveland couldn’t process what was happening. He was in a new state without the two family members who had been with him his entire life.
“He went into this shell,” Yancey said. “Naturally, he felt abandoned and that his mom didn’t love him. On top of that, he’s miles away from home and doesn’t know anybody. Texas was a culture shock for him. It was a big adjustment.”
Tyrie Cleveland by Zach Abolverdi
Tyrie Cleveland is the nation’s No. 2 wide receiver in the Class of 2016, according to the 247Sports Composite. (Photo by Zach Abolverdi/AJC)
Yancey said students initially picked on Cleveland for being from Florida. That changed once he laced up his cleats.
“When I got up here, I had to adapt,” Cleveland said. “I had to find where I fit in, and that was on the football field.”
Cleveland first began playing the sport when his mother signed him up for little league, and his older brother always encouraged him to stick with it.
“He’s one of the reasons I chose to play football, him and my mom,” Cleveland said. “He was living the wrong life and it eventually caught up with him. He told me to stay in my place, stay in sports, stay in school.
“He actually had a positive influence on me. He didn’t want to see me at places he hung out. Fortunately for me, I was able to escape.”
Once Cleveland latched onto high school football in Texas, his life finally took a turn for the better. He quickly moved up to the varsity team at Westfield High School and started receiving scholarship offers after his sophomore season.
“He had so much bottled up and just let it out when he got on the field. That’s how he expressed himself,” said Yancey, with whom Cleveland has lived the last four years. “He made sure what happened to his brother wouldn’t happen to him. It saddened him, but yet it pushed him to be the best he could be.
“That motivation will always stay with him. It’s one of those memories you don’t forget. The pain won’t ever go away, but he knows how to deal with his brother’s murder now that he’s matured. The memory of it propelled him to want to be successful.”
Cleveland also has built a better relationship with his mother, who still resides in Jacksonville. He now understands the decisions she made years ago, and they’ve been communicating more by phone.
The Under Armour All-American wide receiver wants to use his football career as a way to honor his family, something about which his aunt has advised him.
“He’s trying to make up for things that have happened,” Yancey said. “Leaving a legacy is wonderful, but sometimes we can become too busy trying to do things for others. He needs to do what he loves first and foremost, and I believe this is in his heart.
“Football will come and go, but we need to break these generational curses. We have relatives in prison. He knows his roots and where he comes from, so he wants our next generation to be college graduates and children with careers.”
Cleveland left Florida four years ago because of his brother’s murder. He’ll return to the Sunshine State this month to spend the next four years playing for the Gators.
“Something good came out of all this,” Cleveland said. “I know my brother would be proud of the decisions I’ve made. He got trapped in this box they call the streets, and he couldn’t get on the other side of the wall. That’s not where you want to be.
“I’m just thankful I climbed that wall and made it out.”
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:36 pm to gatordmb89
Blades is a Gator!
Posted on 6/22/16 at 5:15 pm to dbuchanon
Very nice pickup. Tall, long arms, fast.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:50 pm to dbuchanon
Yessssssssirrrrrr great pickup
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:46 pm to TJGator1215
Added 4 star DE Z Carter
Go Gators !!
Go Gators !!
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:16 pm to dbuchanon
Ventrell Miller, a LB too.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:36 pm to TJGator1215
OP has some editing to do.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 5:24 pm to TJGator1215
Great pick ups on defense this week. UF needed this infusion of momentum before the dead period.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 5:37 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
Yeah I'll edit.
Also, spots filling up, should make for interesting FNL in late July.
Also, spots filling up, should make for interesting FNL in late July.
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