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Posted on 10/9/16 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 10/9/16 at 4:54 pm
I don't understand why the took McElwain out claiming they could run the entire offense with Orth. Wheres the rest of the offense? They looked just like they did on offense in all the other games
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 4:57 pm to CarolinaCock
McIlwain is Treon Harris 2.0 at this point. He can't complete a forward pass more than 5 yards and his scrambling ability was highly overrated.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 5:01 pm to 2001
You do realize McElwain is a freshman right? Did you watch Eason don't think that dude had even 50 passing yards. Other teams can run the ball across the ground we cant thats killing us along with the O-line play
Posted on 10/9/16 at 5:01 pm to 2001
Neither one gives them more of an advantage. It's just a matter of which problems the coaches want to deal with.
This post was edited on 10/9/16 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:14 pm to 2001
Neither BMac or Orth are the problem.
The problem is exactly what I said it was after seeing the closed scrimmage ... OLine can pass block but not run block. It's really that simple.
The problem is exactly what I said it was after seeing the closed scrimmage ... OLine can pass block but not run block. It's really that simple.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:55 pm to scrooster
For most olines, isn't run blocking supposed to be easier?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 9:33 pm to chawk195
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For most olines, isn't run blocking supposed to be easier?
All depends .... run blocking is very complicated these days because DLines scheme to confuse OLinemen. So OLines have to be very deliberate with their methodology ... very very unit specific. That requires a lot of athleticism and dependency on the guy to your right and left. A lot of pulling and crossing and a lot of intelligence from the entire unit with one very capable leader on the fields usually at center.
Pass blocking is easier these days - that's not always been the case. It's still more complicated than it once was ... but not nearly as much as run blocking is these days because we've gotten away from two back sets, I formations, power Ts and Ys etc., where you compensated for filled holes with blocking backs leading the way.
Shawn Elliott was hired because he was supposed to be excellent at coaching zone reads, zone blocking, where you had no leader calling it at center and you asked each man to KISS, responsible only for his zone straight in front of him.
He's failed at doing the simplest of things.
There is an argument to be made, and I've heard it made many times, that OLine is by far the toughest position to recruit and coach and has been for the better part of the past two decades.
Best case I've seen to support that argument is the number of first round draft picks taken in the first round ... it all started with the big OLinemen (I believe he was of island decent) taken out of SoCal some years ago ... I think his son played for Tennessee. What was his name? Started with an M.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 9:58 pm to scrooster
As terrible as the oline is this year, I'm not on the fire shawn Elliott train, for one simple reason. His best recruits ever have been those who have been diamonds in the rough.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:13 pm to chawk195
I'm sorry you cannot rely on a few projects to pan out on occasion in the SEC. He has had his shot here and failed time to move on. If he wasn't a Carolina fan he'd have been tar and feathered out of Columbia by now.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:21 pm to mikeboss550
I'm not saying he is the premier oline coach around. I will give him this one bit of reprieve. Kurt Roper's system is different than spurrier's. different blocking and terminology. Maybe, just maybe, things will improve. Although we took one step forward against aggy and two steps back against GA
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:30 pm to chawk195
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Kurt Roper's system is different than spurrier's.
Exactly why we need to go out and get an experienced OL coach who is more familiar with the systems we implement. When we do run zone read, it seems like McIlwain or Orth always pull when they should give or give when they should pull. Pretty much the exact opposite of Shaw.
I'll chalk that up to roper some but in order to run zone read properly, you need to be familiar with what your OL looks like and where they are blocking and right now the only thing it consistently looks like is dogshit.
I think we cut our losses and find a coach who Roper knows or someone who can demonstrate knowledge of similar systems because right now, Elliot's just not cutting it.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:12 am to chawk195
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Kurt Roper's system is different than spurrier's.
This is what I think a lot of people are missing. Ropers offense isn't a cut and dry "it's a run, it's a pass" offense. There are multiple read that need to be made to decide the eventual outcome. This makes it hard to last the blame on his part calling at this point. Mcilwain can't make the decisions he needs to, games too fast for him right now. Orth can't run period. That takes away not only the ability for qb runs or keeps on read options, but the threat that it could happen as well. Fact is, a lot of what our offense could look like even if we had a serviceable OL isn't going to happen this year.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:29 am to scrooster
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it all started with the big OLinemen (I believe he was of island decent) taken out of SoCal some years ago ... I think his son played for Tennessee. What was his name? Started with an M.
Anthony Munoz - Cincinnati Bengals Rd 1 Pick 3. one of the best ever.
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He's failed at doing the simplest of things.
indeed. I'm concerned about the dynamic/ties between Elliott/Dillman you've mentioned in prior posts and it somehow clouding a decision by Muschamp to make a change at OL coach after this season. I pray Satterfield at Appalachian will get a bigger job offer at this season and somehow SE will get the HC job there. App is sitting at 3-2 right now with losses to UTK & UMiami but they have a legit chance to run the table on their remaining schedule.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 11:58 am to scrooster
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The problem is exactly what I said it was after seeing the closed scrimmage ... OLine can pass block but not run block. It's really that simple.
Thread.
If you can't run the ball and you can't stop the run, you lose a lot of ball games.
I just hope the team doesn't quit on the year.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:37 pm to 1801
That's him 1801 ... thanks. I could not remember his name for some reason. I'm really slipping in the memory department.
I found a pretty good article on the subject and also it brings into play how things have shifted from trying to find a good OTackle to trying to find a sweet perimeter rusher to defeat the good OTs.
Proves how cyclical everything is in football and how adjustments are made to compensate for what's trendy in the game ... something we have obviously not been able to to on the OLine.
https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/24/nfl-draft-combine-offensive-tackles-history
I found a pretty good article on the subject and also it brings into play how things have shifted from trying to find a good OTackle to trying to find a sweet perimeter rusher to defeat the good OTs.
Proves how cyclical everything is in football and how adjustments are made to compensate for what's trendy in the game ... something we have obviously not been able to to on the OLine.
https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/24/nfl-draft-combine-offensive-tackles-history
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