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re: If we were to hire a new HC who would you like to see?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:32 pm to DorchesterGamecock
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:32 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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I hate to play the race card, but I'm black and you're hearing it from me.. a black HC at the University of South Carolina would send shockwaves through the south east and would make SC that much more attractive to elite young, black recruits in SC, NC, GA and UF.
I am white and i agree with this 100%. As much as i would hate to hire or not hire someone due to race i would love to find a good black coach. Its time.
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:17 pm to Foolish cock
Agreed. Race aside, it's important that our next HC is a great coach. When you recruit, you're not only recruiting the kid, but you're also recruiting the parents and ESPECIALLY the mothers as well. Strong has that endearing but strong and dominant father-like quality that mothers love. When it comes to young black recruits, just based on family dynamics, mothers have SO much say... Whether it's a 2-parent or single parent household, in the black family, matriarch rules. Black mothers will love Strong.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:23 pm to DorchesterGamecock
I think Clowney and Lattimore are the perfect examples of that.
I would love a black head coach.
I would love a black head coach.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:06 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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Black mothers will love Strong.
Strong has yet to prove he can run a big time SEC program. Louisville in the Big East is not South Carolina in the SEC. If he wins at Texas, South Carolina is not getting him, and if he fails there, South Carolina may not want him. Safe to say he is probably out of the picture.
In a post Spurrier era, who (black or white, but no asians) is currently HoF or near HoF status?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:32 pm to Cheese Grits
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In a post Spurrier era, who (black or white, but no asians) is currently HoF or near HoF status?
Honestly, I wouldn't mind going up-and-comer rather than HOF bound with our next hire. Someone who is going to bring innovation and excitement to a program that has some measure of name recognition built up with our last two coaches.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:43 pm to Loathor
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind going up-and-comer rather than HOF bound with our next hire.
My personal thinking is you can go with the up and comer after you reach the mountaintop. Until then, a bad up and comer can take you back years. Just look at Joker @ UK. Brooks got UK competitive and Joker put them back all the way to the pre Brooks years.
As for them hiring Stoops (an up and comer) UK already had the MNC with Bear Bryant in the 50's and near MNC with Fran Curci in the 70's.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:46 pm to Loathor
In this case, SC's best move would be to hire an up and comer that loves recruiting.. SC doesn't need to hire another coach that made his name somewhere else and tries to force the same approach here. Spurrier has done GREAT things for SC, but his biggest Achilles heel is that he came to SC with the same hands off everything approach he had at Florida. SC requires a guy with his hands in EVERYTHING.
And coaches like Spurrier are already so up in age that they aren't really willing to change their approach much at this point in their careers..
And coaches like Spurrier are already so up in age that they aren't really willing to change their approach much at this point in their careers..
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:15 pm to Cheese Grits
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If he wins at Texas, South Carolina is not getting him, and if he fails there, South Carolina may not want him.
Difference is how much resistance Strong already seems to have before the season even started. I can't speak from their perspective directly but it seems like they're looking for any excuse to already get rid of him. Strong may not win there because they fans simply may not let him.
Spurrier was in his 6th season before getting us to 9 wins. That kind of patience will not happen with Strong and Co. at Texas.
With that said, we've been spoiled here, so whoever comes after Spurrier may not have that much time either.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:04 pm to theGarnetWay
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Difference is how much resistance Strong already seems to have before the season even started.
What is not seen is the undercurrents against Strong from old big money Texas donors because he is black. If TAMU did not hire Sumlin and had success, my gut tells me the coach after Brown would have been white. I think the younger fans like him and are glad he is bringing back rules and getting rid of the prima donna attitude that Mack Brown allowed.
If I had a crystal ball I would be looking at coaches know for defense and developing a strong running game. Sure there are some good QB's in the SEC west but if Auburn is the prototype for the future then run with pass may be the future in a world where the rest of the country is all just pass happy and no defense.
As for Spurrier, don't throw the OBC out just yet. This was a rebuilding year and my expectations for the Cocks were not to see the real future till the november games.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:03 pm to DorchesterGamecock
I'd like to see Ward promoted honestly. I know the defense isn't great this season but we didn't get the DBs in until fall camp and didn't even get any DEs in.
Plus recruits love Ward and he's been on fire in the ATL area
Plus recruits love Ward and he's been on fire in the ATL area
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:17 pm to DorchesterGamecock
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In this case, SC's best move would be to hire an up and comer that loves recruiting.. SC doesn't need to hire another coach that made his name somewhere else and tries to force the same approach here. Spurrier has done GREAT things for SC, but his biggest Achilles heel is that he came to SC with the same hands off everything approach he had at Florida. SC requires a guy with his hands in EVERYTHING.
Yes, by god, yes.
Please post more.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:21 pm to Cockopotamus
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I'd like to see Ward promoted honestly. I know the defense isn't great this season but we didn't get the DBs in until fall camp and d
Ok. Never mind about posting more. You just lost me.
On a serious note, i kind of liked the idea of promoting ward before the season, but that has gone straight down the toilet. I now seriously question his evaluation of talent, and more importantly his two staff hires, deke and botkin in my estimation are garbage. Not as human beings but as coaches at a major program. Those were his two hires, can you imagine an entire staff compiled by him?
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:22 pm to Foolish cock
Botkin did a pretty good job with the lbs last year. Deke has nothing to work with at de but he's a good recruiter and deserves a bigger sample size.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:35 pm to Cockopotamus
This season is a long ways from over ... but these next six games are going to be major for two of our coaches, maybe three.
Spurrier is gonna treat this like a business decision and, just to put this into perspective, remember Spurrier fired Tyrone Nix for blowing a 14 pt lead in a bowl game.
Spurrier is gonna treat this like a business decision and, just to put this into perspective, remember Spurrier fired Tyrone Nix for blowing a 14 pt lead in a bowl game.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:26 pm to scrooster
While the defense has been atrocious, i think the offense shares much blame as does the recruiting coordinator.
Dylan has been a dissaster in crunch time. Missouri and kentucky are fresh in peoples minds but also remember the pick against uga that uga completely bailed us out on with playcalling and the missed fg.
Next year i see our offense being almost as bad as our defense this year. Matulis and waldrop cant stay healthy to save their life so our line will really strugle. Compound that with the news that we are giving na'ty time on defense just sounds crazy.
Our recruiting seems schizophrenic, we go years without taking impact players at positions of need then we over compensate by loading up in one year.
Seemingly c mitch cant play, so who is our qb of the future.
How the frick did we let things get this way. I have theories but i will keep them to myself.
Dylan has been a dissaster in crunch time. Missouri and kentucky are fresh in peoples minds but also remember the pick against uga that uga completely bailed us out on with playcalling and the missed fg.
Next year i see our offense being almost as bad as our defense this year. Matulis and waldrop cant stay healthy to save their life so our line will really strugle. Compound that with the news that we are giving na'ty time on defense just sounds crazy.
Our recruiting seems schizophrenic, we go years without taking impact players at positions of need then we over compensate by loading up in one year.
Seemingly c mitch cant play, so who is our qb of the future.
How the frick did we let things get this way. I have theories but i will keep them to myself.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 5:42 am to Foolish cock
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I have theories but i will keep them to myself.
No need, whip em out and lets discuss them. I have no theories other we are not what we thought we were.
I knew DT would cost us a game or two, it's all mental for him, If he is rolling he is money... if things get tight he plays indecisive and makes bad calls.(Reminds me of another QB we had Blake Mitchell)
I just didn't think it would be the games we thought it would be.
Our team just seems to overthink themselves at times and everything looks like a kneejerk reaction, such is life with young inexperienced guys. The playcalling is the biggest WTF i see, but hey I don't get paid millions to make those decisions and maybe we don't see something HBC is seeing... IDK. shite happens, hopefully we can salavage something this season by ruining someone elses.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 11:54 am to Mr.Sinister
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No need, whip em out and lets discuss them.
OK, here goes.
Recruiting coordinator is a major problem. We seem to be directionless. To have not targeted and signed an impact defensive end during Clowney's 3 years with the program is absolutely inexcusable. Our plan for recruiting since Jr took over for Beamer seems to be , get dangerously thin and untalented at a position then recruit 10 players all in the same class to address it. Then use the tired arse excuse, we are young and inexperienced.
For us to continue to think that this staff can take chicken shite and make chicken soup is just arrogant and lazy. This has been perpetuated and enabled by the bigger sunshine pumpers in our fan base and definitely seems to permeate the head man and his son. JT Surrat, Darius English, Dylan Thompson, Will Sport, Mason Zandi, Kadetrix Marcus, Etc are maybe decent role/practice players and the fans and coaches are convinced that stars don't matter and that our coaches are smarter than every other staff in the SEC. Here's news guys , they fricking aren't. Sure occasionally there are two star studs and 4 star duds, but that is not the norm.
When your head guy works less than other head guys and hates recruiting, you damn well better have a recruiting coordinator who has a clear concise plan and who can/will pick up the slack on the trail, and we have the opposite. Before you tell me recruiting coordinators don't necessarily need to be great recruiters, I disagree, I think ours does because we are a different situation. Also when your entire desperately needed DE class does not qualify, someone (aside from the players) is not doing their homework.
I think our staff has some extremely lazy tendencies. For an example, why do we continue to run the zone read with a pocket passer?
Now to the Defense, it is an absolute abortion. We knew we would struggle though. The Deke hire was lazy and shitty, the Botkin hire was even lazier and shittier than the Deke hire. Is there one other program in America, that considers themselves a big boy programs that hires assistant coaches from high school? I can think of one, and as much shite as we give them about it, theirs has worked out a hell of a lot better than ours. Other SEC programs poach off our staff and we poach from high school , the ACC, and fricking Southern Miss... This was the season that Spurriers offense was going to need to carry the Defense, and Dylan just chokes in big situations. It is what it is. And I know, we should run the ball, but I try to avoid questioning play calling, that's what we love about Spurrier when he wins. Spurrier wants to throw the ball when he sees the defense vulnerable and over playing the run. I for one am ok with this. This is big time D1 football not pee wee, you should be able to take what the defense gives you. What most of the fan base is saying, but not in these words is , "run the football no matter what because our QB sucks so bad at crunch time he is sure to doom us." What in the actual frick? Why do we find ourselves with a QB that can't be trusted to throw? Think about that for a second. From the sample size this year, Dylan might be the biggest choke artist on earth. I am sorry, it's true.
That's my vent. Flame away...
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/9/14 at 4:10 pm to Foolish cock
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Recruiting coordinator is a major problem. We seem to be directionless. To have not targeted and signed an impact defensive end during Clowney's 3 years with the program is absolutely inexcusable. Our plan for recruiting since Jr took over for Beamer seems to be , get dangerously thin and untalented at a position then recruit 10 players all in the same class to address it. Then use the tired arse excuse, we are young and inexperienced.
We went after a ton of DEs ... think about it. One signed at Michigan, another went elsewhere I forget, was it Notre Dame? Another went to Ole Miss to play with his brother.
Big time DEs are hard to find. We've had others who failed to qualify. I mean come onnnnnn ...
I could not disagree with you more about our RC. It's just plain crazy what you typed and posted about that. lulz ... especially claiming Beamer was better.
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For us to continue to think that this staff can take chicken shite and make chicken soup is just arrogant and lazy. This has been perpetuated and enabled by the bigger sunshine pumpers in our fan base and definitely seems to permeate the head man and his son. JT Surrat, Darius English, Dylan Thompson, Will Sport, Mason Zandi, Kadetrix Marcus, Etc are maybe decent role/practice players and the fans and coaches are convinced that stars don't matter and that our coaches are smarter than every other staff in the SEC. Here's news guys , they fricking aren't. Sure occasionally there are two star studs and 4 star duds, but that is not the norm.
Ummmmm ... okay. So we're having a down year and suddenly Spurrier and Spurrier, Jr. are lazy, talent blind ... oh, and are supposed to sign Top Ten classes every year and having five, no wait, six players who are not living up to your expectations makes the entire staff suck.
Foolish Cock - slow down, take a deep breath, it's going to be ok.
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I think our staff has some extremely lazy tendencies. For an example, why do we continue to run the zone read with a pocket passer?
That's a very decent question based upon a very decent observation.
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Now to the Defense, it is an absolute abortion. We knew we would struggle though. The Deke hire was lazy and shitty, the Botkin hire was even lazier and shittier than the Deke hire. Is there one other program in America, that considers themselves a big boy programs that hires assistant coaches from high school? I can think of one, and as much shite as we give them about it, theirs has worked out a hell of a lot better than ours. Other SEC programs poach off our staff and we poach from high school , the ACC, and fricking Southern Miss...
Deke was one of the hotter DLine coaching prospects in the country, that was available, when Lawing unexpectedly bailed on us because he was unable to handle his personal problems in town with his girlfriends and ex-wives. It wasn't a lazy hire - it was considered a coup at the time and the jury is still-out honestly.
Botkin ... let's be fair. His resume is a bit stronger than what you are implying. LINK
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This was the season that Spurriers offense was going to need to carry the Defense, and Dylan just chokes in big situations. It is what it is. And I know, we should run the ball, but I try to avoid questioning play calling, that's what we love about Spurrier when he wins. Spurrier wants to throw the ball when he sees the defense vulnerable and over playing the run. I for one am ok with this. This is big time D1 football not pee wee, you should be able to take what the defense gives you. What most of the fan base is saying, but not in these words is , "run the football no matter what because our QB sucks so bad at crunch time he is sure to doom us." What in the actual frick? Why do we find ourselves with a QB that can't be trusted to throw? Think about that for a second. From the sample size this year, Dylan might be the biggest choke artist on earth. I am sorry, it's true.
It's not looking good for Thompson right now - he does appear to have some choking issues.
Since he's a Gamecock and his choking is leading to losses ... is he technically choking the chicken?
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:30 pm to Cockopotamus
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I'd like to see Ward promoted honestly. I know the defense isn't great this season but we didn't get the DBs in until fall camp and didn't even get any DEs in.
Plus recruits love Ward and he's been on fire in the ATL area
If Ward would have had another Top 20 defense this year, he'd be in a position to take over after SOS, but that's gone now. I couldn't see that happening, unless the next 2 seasons he has Top 10 defenses and we win some hardware.
Posted on 10/9/14 at 9:33 pm to scrooster
For some reason i cant snip and paste parts of roosters posts...
But you are right rooster, i am just pissed, i need to get off the ledge.
And yes, i think technically Dylan is choking the chicken. And i hate it for him, he is a great kid. Nobody wants to choke, but thats what it looks like is happening.
But you are right rooster, i am just pissed, i need to get off the ledge.
And yes, i think technically Dylan is choking the chicken. And i hate it for him, he is a great kid. Nobody wants to choke, but thats what it looks like is happening.
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