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Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:43 am
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I mean I get the trolling and the picking and the fun and all that ... but dadgummit, why would some of our own fans and some of our own people jump in there and imply that we are a racist state, bigoted, that we hold klan rallies on our statehouse grounds.
None of that is true men.
Obviously the main stream media has gotten to some of you, and maybe it was the liberal education ... I dunno. Times have changed since when I was at Carolina ... we learned and taught a lot of pride in our state back then. We were fighters. We knew the real history, not the muddied-up politically correct bullshite the fricking progressives have been teaching for the past few decades. We were liberal kids too ... but we weren't going to lie to ourselves about our history, and we weren't going to let anyone else lie to us either.
We changed more things for the better than any kid these days can imagine.
And we never ever let our politics and our religion mix into our sports. The state newspaper tried doing it when Lou was here.
The taterheads try doing it ... and it is the most hypocritical thing any group of fans could ever do in the history of the world. What Brad Scott did is probably going to get that fat fricker sent straight to hell when he kicks over from his fricking heart attack.
But since when did we start doing it to ourselves on sports boards?
I guess I don't get it. This just takes all the joy and fun out of it.
I guess everything truly is about politics these days. I guess we are just supposed to lay down for everything.
frick it.
I mean I get the trolling and the picking and the fun and all that ... but dadgummit, why would some of our own fans and some of our own people jump in there and imply that we are a racist state, bigoted, that we hold klan rallies on our statehouse grounds.
None of that is true men.
Obviously the main stream media has gotten to some of you, and maybe it was the liberal education ... I dunno. Times have changed since when I was at Carolina ... we learned and taught a lot of pride in our state back then. We were fighters. We knew the real history, not the muddied-up politically correct bullshite the fricking progressives have been teaching for the past few decades. We were liberal kids too ... but we weren't going to lie to ourselves about our history, and we weren't going to let anyone else lie to us either.
We changed more things for the better than any kid these days can imagine.
And we never ever let our politics and our religion mix into our sports. The state newspaper tried doing it when Lou was here.
The taterheads try doing it ... and it is the most hypocritical thing any group of fans could ever do in the history of the world. What Brad Scott did is probably going to get that fat fricker sent straight to hell when he kicks over from his fricking heart attack.
But since when did we start doing it to ourselves on sports boards?
I guess I don't get it. This just takes all the joy and fun out of it.
I guess everything truly is about politics these days. I guess we are just supposed to lay down for everything.
frick it.
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:40 am to scrooster
Papa Scrooster is not happy with you guys. 
FWIW the thread has been quite entertaining... CNB with the slightest of troll bait and its turned into quite the thread. Well done. I honestly do hope next year when yall come to College Station you at least stop by for a good 2 minutes of an actual midnight yell to understand that what was shown on the SECN is an embarrassment to the real deal.
FWIW the thread has been quite entertaining... CNB with the slightest of troll bait and its turned into quite the thread. Well done. I honestly do hope next year when yall come to College Station you at least stop by for a good 2 minutes of an actual midnight yell to understand that what was shown on the SECN is an embarrassment to the real deal.
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 12:01 pm to scrooster
I take it this is a response to the post that I made, so I'll reply here. The comment I made was relatively tongue-in-cheek, and I really don't like to get serious on TD, but I just want to address this since there has been all this talk about the SC Statehouse recently.
I took this picture the last time I was in Columbia.
I know that the national perception of racism in SC is both skewed and inaccurate, but this type of stuff does not help diminish those untruths. It is one thing to fly the Confederate flag at the Statehouse, but to have rallies/ceremonies where this is considered acceptable is just ridiculous. This isn't the 1960's. Now, I know it's not actually a Klan rally, but it certainly wouldn't be far fetched to believe that some of those who attend these types of things may be sympathetic to the cause. It quite literally makes it look like racism and bigotry influence our state's politics, which we all know is not the case. You can say it is a "pride in my heritage" type of deal, but this sort of First Amendment exercise brings a negative national perception to South Carolina. I've always loved the historical trend of SC defiance, but this shouldn't be something to be proud of. It makes us look like nothing more than uneducated and intolerant rednecks. I say that as a proud southerner.
To keep the Confederate flag flying at the Statehouse is one thing, but having this draped across the steps of the Statehouse for almost 4 days is overkill. We all know that the flag has different meanings for different people, but it is time we realize that it is largely regarded as a negative symbol, and to have it proudly displayed all over the center of our state's government is idiotic.
As for the Aggies having Yell Practice on the Statehouse grounds, I don't really care. Truth is, I've heard more opposition to the idea that a visiting school holds their gay little tradition on the Statehouse steps more than I ever did to things like Confederate rallies in the 5 years I lived in Columbia. I couldn't care less what some arrogant Texans think of us, but I do want our state to move past things like the photo above.
This isn't an attack on you, scrooster. It's just how I feel about the situation.
I took this picture the last time I was in Columbia.
I know that the national perception of racism in SC is both skewed and inaccurate, but this type of stuff does not help diminish those untruths. It is one thing to fly the Confederate flag at the Statehouse, but to have rallies/ceremonies where this is considered acceptable is just ridiculous. This isn't the 1960's. Now, I know it's not actually a Klan rally, but it certainly wouldn't be far fetched to believe that some of those who attend these types of things may be sympathetic to the cause. It quite literally makes it look like racism and bigotry influence our state's politics, which we all know is not the case. You can say it is a "pride in my heritage" type of deal, but this sort of First Amendment exercise brings a negative national perception to South Carolina. I've always loved the historical trend of SC defiance, but this shouldn't be something to be proud of. It makes us look like nothing more than uneducated and intolerant rednecks. I say that as a proud southerner.
To keep the Confederate flag flying at the Statehouse is one thing, but having this draped across the steps of the Statehouse for almost 4 days is overkill. We all know that the flag has different meanings for different people, but it is time we realize that it is largely regarded as a negative symbol, and to have it proudly displayed all over the center of our state's government is idiotic.
As for the Aggies having Yell Practice on the Statehouse grounds, I don't really care. Truth is, I've heard more opposition to the idea that a visiting school holds their gay little tradition on the Statehouse steps more than I ever did to things like Confederate rallies in the 5 years I lived in Columbia. I couldn't care less what some arrogant Texans think of us, but I do want our state to move past things like the photo above.
This isn't an attack on you, scrooster. It's just how I feel about the situation.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 12:21 pm to Bluefin
I understand.
Was that the Daughters of the Confederacy rally or The Sons of Confederate Veterans rally?
Both have been instrumental in conserving and restoring that statehouse for well over 100 years.
Why should we care how the rest of the country views us? We're South Carolinians. Our State House and statehouse grounds are unique among all others in this country.
We know we're not racists. We know we're fiercely independent. We know the races, all races, get along here probably better than anywhere else in the country. You don't see riots here. You don't see the hatred here that you see in most other places.
Why should we care about labels other fricktards in other parts of the country might put on us when they have yet to sweep their own backporch first?
We have the mountains and the beaches and everything in between. We have rich tradition and cultures shared, we are polite to one another and we respect one another.
I just don't get sometimes why some feel the need to paint us as racist or bigots when nothing could be further from the truth.
I don't think that flag means what you think it means Bluefin ... friend.
Was that the Daughters of the Confederacy rally or The Sons of Confederate Veterans rally?
Both have been instrumental in conserving and restoring that statehouse for well over 100 years.
Why should we care how the rest of the country views us? We're South Carolinians. Our State House and statehouse grounds are unique among all others in this country.
We know we're not racists. We know we're fiercely independent. We know the races, all races, get along here probably better than anywhere else in the country. You don't see riots here. You don't see the hatred here that you see in most other places.
Why should we care about labels other fricktards in other parts of the country might put on us when they have yet to sweep their own backporch first?
We have the mountains and the beaches and everything in between. We have rich tradition and cultures shared, we are polite to one another and we respect one another.
I just don't get sometimes why some feel the need to paint us as racist or bigots when nothing could be further from the truth.
I don't think that flag means what you think it means Bluefin ... friend.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 12:37 pm to 3andOut
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FWIW the thread has been quite entertaining... CNB with the slightest of troll bait and its turned into quite the thread. Well done. I honestly do hope next year when yall come to College Station you at least stop by for a good 2 minutes of an actual midnight yell to understand that what was shown on the SECN is an embarrassment to the real deal.
Sure, the thread was fun ... until it turned into the racist bigotry bullshite.
And do you aggies honestly not understand why it could have been so much better ... so much more friendly and enjoyable, had y'all only not chosen to do this on our Statehouse grounds?
When y'all went to Clemson, did y'all drive down here and do it on the Statehouse grounds? Did y'all even have the balls to try to do it on the steps of Tillman Tower?
When you went to Baton Rouge ... you didn't do it on their fricking statehouse grounds. Why not?
Y'all have really ruined a good opportunity here. You really have.
If I were y'all, I'd be worried about the ones not speaking out in public ... the ones keeping quiet right now. There is a shite ton of anger about this.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 12:46 pm to scrooster
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And do you aggies honestly not understand why it could have been so much better ... so much more friendly and enjoyable, had y'all only not chosen to do this on our Statehouse grounds?
The South Carolina Chapter of Former Aggies got approval for this. While I realize that we are probably the most arrogant citizen in the US (speaking of Texans) we do show respect and hospitality. If they would have told them that the statehouse would not be okay to hold the rally we would have found another location.
We were granted permission to hold our Midnight Yell here. Don't treat us like LSU or Bama fans and think we are going to be pissing and shitting all over your statehouse. Us Texans are a proud bunch but we don't cross those kinds of lines (every group has their retards). I think this will go just fine and neither fanbase will be inconvienced and the statehouse will be standing Saturday morning.
If there is a huge protest of us being there I am sure we will simply move it elsewhere. Keep in mind there will be children attending so try to at least stay classy enough to not put them in harms way if some of your more "offended" fans do decide to get rowdy.
This is a family thing and I assure you if you go take a look at this tradition, you will see how blown out of proportion everyone is making it.
TL:DR version: The South Carolina Alum Chapter was given permission by the proper authorities to conduct our Midnight Yell at this location. If they don't have a problem with it, then why do so many others? Not like we are having a gay orgy and jazzing all over your steps and statues... (we do that in less well-lit areas of town)
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 12:48 pm to scrooster
I hear people casually drop the N word in normal conversation on a semi-regular basis when I'm in SC. And I don't run w/ a rural crowd, either.
EDIT: To be fair, I hear the same when I'm in Georgia. And the most racist state I've been to is Tennessee. I'm rarely in Mississippi or Alabama, so I can't comment.
EDIT: To be fair, I hear the same when I'm in Georgia. And the most racist state I've been to is Tennessee. I'm rarely in Mississippi or Alabama, so I can't comment.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:10 pm to scrooster
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Why should we care how the rest of the country views us? We're South Carolinians.
Because perception = $. It's great that we've been able to land the BMWs and the Boeings of the world to come to our state but what about our athletic teams getting hosed on hosting? I don't think the NCAA should be interfering with such things but they do, and it costs the school.
Anyway, I can understand acknowledging history. I can understand that people are proud that their ancestors fought to protect their homes from invader and not to protect slavery (although anyone who doesn't think the Civil War was started because of slavery needs to read the secession papers of the CSA) With that said, that CSA flag that flew on the state house and now on the state house grounds wasn't put up during the Civil War. Do people really think we just put one up during the Civil War and the Union just let it fly up there when they took Columbia? No. It was taken down. And then a new one was put up? Why? Because our politicians wanted to show to the world that we were pro-segregation.
People may fly the Confederate flag for whatever reason, but that flag on the state house grounds was flown as a symbol of racism but the story has since been changed to state pride.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:18 pm to scrooster
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Was that the Daughters of the Confederacy rally or The Sons of Confederate Veterans rally?
I'm not sure, but they had a pretty big turnout.
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Why should we care how the rest of the country views us? We're South Carolinians.
Two years ago I would've agreed with you. However, since leaving South Carolina and moving to a different part of the country, I've begun to notice just how negatively people view where I come from. It is frustrating to hear that "South Carolina is beautiful but the racism is too much," as if they know how it actually is. Yes, there is racism that exists all over the South, but I truly don't believe it is as bad as they think. It's hard to just ignore it when you hear it over and over again. When pictures like the one I posted go viral, it just furthers their skewed view, but I can't really say it is unjustified.
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I don't think that flag means what you think it means Bluefin ... friend.
Like I said, I am from the South and I don't think the flag inherently means hate, but many, many other people do. It is associated with a dark time in our history and I believe it is insensitive to proudly display something that many people might take offense to. It is regressive and just fuels the rest of the country's desire to shite on the South. I'm proud of where I come from but I just think this is something that has to change.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:14 pm to Bluefin
The responses in this thread are proving my point.
This is not about the flag ... it was made about the flag.
This is about the aggies choosing to hold their yell practice on our Statehouse grounds.
I want to be clear ...
Statehouse grounds ...
CSA Flag ....
Two different things, two different topics, two different meanings, two different issues altogether.
Yet, and this was my point, this continues to be turned into one and the same.
And if any South Carolinian is not well versed enough to counter any outsider's claim that we are overly racist in this state ... then I can't help you. I could, but it would be too much to read for most ... and most don't care.
If that flag came down it wouldn't change the perception brainwashed upon the young masses by the liberal mainstream progressive media and hollywood one iota.
There is obviously so much so many of you do not know about this proud state.
And with regard to the N word ... be honest. Where, and from whom, do you hear the N word used 99% of the time?
This is not about the flag ... it was made about the flag.
This is about the aggies choosing to hold their yell practice on our Statehouse grounds.
I want to be clear ...
Statehouse grounds ...
CSA Flag ....
Two different things, two different topics, two different meanings, two different issues altogether.
Yet, and this was my point, this continues to be turned into one and the same.
And if any South Carolinian is not well versed enough to counter any outsider's claim that we are overly racist in this state ... then I can't help you. I could, but it would be too much to read for most ... and most don't care.
If that flag came down it wouldn't change the perception brainwashed upon the young masses by the liberal mainstream progressive media and hollywood one iota.
There is obviously so much so many of you do not know about this proud state.
And with regard to the N word ... be honest. Where, and from whom, do you hear the N word used 99% of the time?
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:22 pm to scrooster
So is Mootsman still going to get that fricking dog or not?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 12:47 am to CockInYourEar
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:06 am to scrooster
Yell practice is no big deal. Aggies will spend about an hour (or less) doing yells. We don't harm anything or anyone. We don't trash up the area and in fact you will probably find them cleaner after we leave than when we arrived. It has gone on for over 100 years. It'll be over quickly.
Admittedly we are an arrogant bunch but we are harmless. We will be in your state to have fun and watch (hopefully) a good football game.
South Carolina is a fine state and USC is a fine institution. If you dislike Clempson, then we do too. We are proud to be in the SEC but lets take some time to get to know each other.
But don't attempt anything stupid, like attempting to harm Reveille. That will not end well.
Peace and when we yell BTHO South Carolina, don't take it personally.
Admittedly we are an arrogant bunch but we are harmless. We will be in your state to have fun and watch (hopefully) a good football game.
South Carolina is a fine state and USC is a fine institution. If you dislike Clempson, then we do too. We are proud to be in the SEC but lets take some time to get to know each other.
But don't attempt anything stupid, like attempting to harm Reveille. That will not end well.
Peace and when we yell BTHO South Carolina, don't take it personally.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:10 am to 3andOut
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While I realize that we are probably the most arrogant citizen in the US (speaking of Texans) we do show respect and hospitality.
I understand that the Rant is not real life, but I haven't seen much of this, at all, from your fanbase anywhere.
There's a lot of arrogance (for what reason?), and a lot of bravado about how Texas this and Texas that, and it reeks of insecurity. I don't inherently have anything against aTm as a school, or as a program. But the way some of y'all have been acting about this upcoming game, like some kind of invading army, is a little bit much.
I'm all for sharing a beer with opposing fans, and having a good time of it. There are only a few fanbases that USC fans come into contact with on a regular basis where this seems nigh-impossible, and I don't want aTm to be one of them. It was never like that with Arkansas, or Miss State (the other West "rivals"), and I don't see any real reason for the Aggs to be different. But yet, it certainly seems as if the tone has been set for a stark departure. There's been a complete lack of respect (as visitors, or even as newcomers) from the vast majority of the aTm fans with whom I've come into contact. That's disheartening.
I hope y'all aren't like this in the real world. I genuinely do. If so, this is going to be an ugly series very fast between both groups of fans.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:14 am to RoyalAir
Honestly, there are only about 3 terrible A&M posters on SECR. I've always thought as a whole, Aggie fans are great. I don't believe anything negative will come from the yell practice and I'm looking forward to a great game next week
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:17 am to CockHolliday
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I've always thought as a whole, Aggie fans are great
And I really want this to be the case. I'm holding out hope that the vast majority of fans are decent cats who just want to have a beer and talk some ball. I quit going to the UGA and Clemmy games because they were no longer enjoyable (even though I have some UGA friends IRL), and I don't want aTm to devolve into that.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:59 am to RoyalAir
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There's a lot of arrogance (for what reason?), and a lot of bravado about how Texas this and Texas that, and it reeks of insecurity. I don't inherently have anything against aTm as a school, or as a program. But the way some of y'all have been acting about this upcoming game, like some kind of invading army, is a little bit much.
Its the Texans way of life. Texas is the greatest country on earth and we make it known... But don't think for a second its all bad. We are a very proud bunch (much like you South Carolinans? Carolians? whatever the term) but we are also very easy to get along with.
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I'm all for sharing a beer with opposing fans, and having a good time of it
I urge you to come to College Station, or even find a group of Aggie tailgaters for the game in Columbia.
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I hope y'all aren't like this in the real world.
We aren't. The only reason that some of our posters are acting so goofy is because Scrooster made such a huge deal about the location. When we tried to reason and provide facts about how it was decided on (both parties agreed, and proper permission was granted) these facts were thrown out and discarded by many USC fans. So instead of arguing with you (we weren't going to get anywhere) we just ran with it.
Much like we run with us not winning an SEC game this year because Johnny is gone. None of us believe this will happen, but weve noticed its a lot more fun to agree with the haters and even build on what they want to believe than to try to counter arguments with knowledge.
TL;DR version - This game will be fun for years to come. Both fanbases are very similar and I have no doubt the Aggies you run into at the games will be nothing but hospitable, blame Scrooster for the shite talking on tRant, once we see something bothers someone we will never let it go.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:18 am to RoyalAir
Something important is being ignored here. The flag has only been on State House grounds--either atop the Capitol or on the the grounds since 1962, ninety-seven years after the war ended.
The 1960s, as Rooster knows full well, was one of racial hatred in the South, though except for the tragedy in Orangeburg and the overturned school bus in Lamar in early 1970, South Carolina was nowhere near as violent as, say, Alabama or Mississippi.
I mentioned the Lamar incident to former Governor Bob McNair, 17 years after it happened and he still bristled and assured that he was on the verge of sending the Guard in. This was at a private lunch.
And to deny the decision by the legislature was not racial is simply wrong. It was a response to emotional demands from a large portion of our electorate. And there was a certain about of jingoism.
And I think SCRooster is the best and most knowledgeable poster anywhere. Much better than most of the paid ones.
But facts, my fellow Gamecocks, are facts. The flag needs to rest in a museum. It is no longer truly relevant for many of us. Cotton is no longer king, and most of what we have is picked by huge machines.
Placing the flag in a museum is simply the right thing to do.
And I would like to add that I am Southern to the core. My great-grandfather next year will have spent 150 years in an unmarked grave in Petersburg, Virginia, the victim of a yankee sniper.
The 1960s, as Rooster knows full well, was one of racial hatred in the South, though except for the tragedy in Orangeburg and the overturned school bus in Lamar in early 1970, South Carolina was nowhere near as violent as, say, Alabama or Mississippi.
I mentioned the Lamar incident to former Governor Bob McNair, 17 years after it happened and he still bristled and assured that he was on the verge of sending the Guard in. This was at a private lunch.
And to deny the decision by the legislature was not racial is simply wrong. It was a response to emotional demands from a large portion of our electorate. And there was a certain about of jingoism.
And I think SCRooster is the best and most knowledgeable poster anywhere. Much better than most of the paid ones.
But facts, my fellow Gamecocks, are facts. The flag needs to rest in a museum. It is no longer truly relevant for many of us. Cotton is no longer king, and most of what we have is picked by huge machines.
Placing the flag in a museum is simply the right thing to do.
And I would like to add that I am Southern to the core. My great-grandfather next year will have spent 150 years in an unmarked grave in Petersburg, Virginia, the victim of a yankee sniper.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 12:18 pm to CocknDawg
This is not a conversation about the flag.
I agree about the flag.
That post is my point about this entire conversation.
Those statehouse grounds are what this is about - NOT the flag. Frick the flag where this conversation is concerned.
But it's okay,
We're gonna know something more about this within a couple of days or so. We're going to find out what sort of people A&M fans really are.
Either way - it is what it is. C'est la vie ... Que Sera, Sera.
ETA: And CNB ... I trust you're not angry with me. You're post - troll - was hilarious. It went great for about six or seven pages before it turned into a racist bigoted state theme.
I really don't care much for some of the Aggie fans around here anymore.
I agree about the flag.
That post is my point about this entire conversation.
Those statehouse grounds are what this is about - NOT the flag. Frick the flag where this conversation is concerned.
But it's okay,
We're gonna know something more about this within a couple of days or so. We're going to find out what sort of people A&M fans really are.
Either way - it is what it is. C'est la vie ... Que Sera, Sera.
ETA: And CNB ... I trust you're not angry with me. You're post - troll - was hilarious. It went great for about six or seven pages before it turned into a racist bigoted state theme.
I really don't care much for some of the Aggie fans around here anymore.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:17 pm to scrooster
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...I really don't care much for some of the Aggie fans around here anymore.
Neither do I.
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