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BLuff road area redevelopement..

Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:09 pm
Posted by bleedsgarnet
Virginia
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:09 pm
I read a thread on another site that has comments from someone who claims to be working directly on the project. He is either a crazy liar or it's happening.

He said that a full renovation of williams brice stadium or a new football stadium altogether will 100% happen.

a new basketball arena will be constructed..businesses and hotels are also being built to fill out the area.

All this by private funding. This is billions of dollars of investment.

I cannot wrap my mind around this happening in Columbia. He said to expect an announcement from the athletic department by late summer..I'll believe it when it's announced.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12965 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:55 am to
quote:

said that a full renovation of williams brice stadium or a new football stadium altogether will 100% happen.



a new basketball arena will be constructed..businesses and hotels are also being built to fill out the area.

I can possibly see a new practice building like the football ops building but new arena...not going to happen.

They have spent to much money on the stadium to build another one. Not going to happen.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 7:56 am
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
26617 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:01 am to
They're full of it.

1). Why would we pour the money we have into our facilities over the past few years to pull them up and move them?

2). One of the biggest complaints/critiques of our stadium is it's location off/far from campus. So the solution to this would be:
A). Move it on/closer to campus: So where are you going to find the 200-300 acres of ground near campus that would allow you to build a facility with the associated parking and other amenities that would make it feasible?
B). Failing option A, then you have to look FARTHER from campus, which puts us in a worse position than we are now.

I can see a Willy B remodel, but they ain't moving the stadium location.

Posted by bleedsgarnet
Virginia
Member since Apr 2014
1194 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 9:13 am to
Ok..I reread the whole thread. The poster in question is going to run a bar/restaurant in the area around willy b..

Evidently, he has seen the video presentation already and it included a new fb stadium starting at etv and going towards shop..

He did say the university doesn't want it moved at all but the investors see issues with infrastructure when it comes to a full renovation of willy b. Water lines, electricity..etc


So that isn't ironed out...but usc isn't paying for any of the project.

So who knows...
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
26617 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 9:33 am to
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Evidently, he has seen the video presentation already and it included a new fb stadium starting at etv and going towards shop..

He did say the university doesn't want it moved at all but the investors see issues with infrastructure when it comes to a full renovation of willy b. Water lines, electricity..etc


Sounds like some developers pitch to sell properties for more than they're worth....

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He did say the university doesn't want it moved at all


Checkmate....
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 9:37 am
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 1/31/23 at 9:42 am to
Zero shot that Williams Brice comes down in the next 40 years. Its iconic and people would go bananas.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
26617 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 10:55 am to
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Zero shot that Williams Brice comes down in the next 40 years. Its iconic and people would go bananas.



Which circles me back to this...

quote:

Sounds like some developers pitch to sell properties for more than they're worth....
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
7625 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 11:50 am to
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Which circles me back to this.


Yeah exactly. Now I could see developers trying to buy up that land nearby, push out the poor folks and make it an upscale area.

but its a lot of swamp land back that way too. so idk how easy that would be
Posted by bleedsgarnet
Virginia
Member since Apr 2014
1194 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:34 pm to
I believe we will find out about this in the morning.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12965 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:03 am to
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10 story hotel behind student section, the old coaches office building is coming down. That's phase one, phase two involves taking down the entire East Upper, retail space will be below the top of the East Lower, condos are going on top of those. The university is already asking folks if they want to be on the list of interested people to buy one of the condos. Its a 6 year or so project, hotel first, east project second. That doesn't include the 18 hole golf course behind the football practice and coach's facilities.


I personally think this is a stupid idea and a waste of money.
Posted by Soda City Spur
Coastal Plains
Member since Mar 2017
1011 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:33 pm to
Guys on the radio just teased an announcement about a long term development plan for our athletics. Tanner will be on later for his monthly spot but I'm sure they'll ask about this too.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15763 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:49 pm to
Where did the info in your quote come from?

LINK

Nothing confirmed yet other than they’ve got an arse of land down there I didn’t know about.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 1:29 pm
Posted by bleedsgarnet
Virginia
Member since Apr 2014
1194 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:38 pm to
A bunch of nothing..such a ray thing to do.

here's my take..Some things are happening they just don't know what.


800 acres that is gonna be developed is even further from the stadium, down on the river, in a flood plain past the ops center. Not near williams brice.



Something at the brice will be done but nothing actionable. More suites, comfy seats..who knows.

Evidently, 20 acres near cla will be developed..nothing firm there either.

It's all so disjointed that this comes off as a mess..

But but...usc or the city isn't paying for it. The billions of dollars is magically gonna come outta someone's arse.

Am I right on this?
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
26617 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:40 pm to
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Where did the info in your quote come from?



TBS
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15763 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 5:28 pm to
They’re asking for developers to send them plans.

It’ll probably end up being another bull street deal. It is a hike to get to the stadium from most of that land.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 5:30 pm
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
52128 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:49 am to
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Evidently, 20 acres near cla will be developed..nothing firm there either.


What 20 acres is this? That empty riverfront?

All these areas are floodplains, that is why they're empty.

Not sure why the common fan would be interested in this news...all this new shiny stuff won't be for them but will instead be for the rich donors.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
26617 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:08 am to
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All these areas are floodplains, that is why they're empty.


That's true, looking at the fema maps, it appears the whole area is floodzone AE, which means that it's in the 100 year flood plain. (Which means really means there's a 1 percent chance of flooding in those zones each year).

But there are ways around it. IF you can bring in enough fill dirt to raise the elevations then you can develop them. But it's not quite that easy. Lots of jurisdictions have regulations that say you can't contribute to downstream flooding by channelizing the stream. You also can't impact jurisdictional wetlands (I have a background in this as I use to work for an engineering firm doing wetlands work out here) I'm not sure if there are any wetlands there, or the specific regs there, but I do know if the pockets are deep enough, things can get done.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
52128 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:16 am to
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But there are ways around it. IF you can bring in enough fill dirt to raise the elevations then you can develop them.


Yeah I think this is the area where they tried the giant Green Diamond development about 15 years ago. It was supposed to be the whole nine yards of housing, businesses, etc....it never happened because the developers couldn't get the flood zone designation changed. I remember the developers sued Richland County, claiming the flood zone restrictions constituted an unconstitutional taking of the land or something....the county won obviously. Richland County did something right for a change in that situation.

And shocker, the whole area was flooded out in 2015. If that development would have happened, there would have been really high property losses in that area.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 8:19 am
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
26617 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:27 am to
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I remember the developers sued Richland County, claiming the flood zone restrictions constituted an unconstitutional taking of the land or something....the county won obviously. Richland County did something right for a change in that situation.


Developers have tried that tact for years, and it rarely works.

This could be just a big nothing burger if they don't get those issues ironed out.

Or, and this just occurred to me and is just me thinking out loud and has no bearing on reality, this could be the developer using the University "backing" as leverage to get their way with Richland County....

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And shocker, the whole area was flooded out in 2015.


Since I'm no longer local, I was going to ask about that. When looking at the maps I was thinking, if it ever was going to flood, that was the year. Thanks for answering the question. Curious, did the wastewater plants down there off 526 go underwater in 2015?? Anybody know? They're usually the lowest point in the system.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 9:30 am
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
52128 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:54 am to
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Curious, did the wastewater plants down


The plant was fine....but all the fields all around it were underwater.

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