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2017 Gamecock Football - Way Too Early Outlook

Posted on 12/13/16 at 10:15 pm
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/13/16 at 10:15 pm
I wanted to give some thought into what we could look like next year.

Our Defense improved in 2016 night & day compared to 2015, it really was a dramatic turnaround. We had one of the best pass defenses in the SEC and we're leading in Turnovers Gained. Our rush defense was better than 2015, but still below avg in the NCAA. We had 2 shite games on defense, but held our own for the other 10. This was done with the majority of the same players we had access to in 2015 and several FR and JUCO new-comers who contributed.

On Defense we lose: MLB Walton, OLB Holloman, DE Lewis, DE English. These 4 contributed statistically significantly to this season and started most of the year, Holloman got a lot of turnovers for the LB's, and English was tied for 3rd in the SEC in Sacks. Walton and Lewis made plays too consistently. Technically we'll also lose Diggs and Elder, but they weren't regular starters (Montac had more tackles/plays than either.)

We have some good to elite defenders coming in this class as well, and we'll probably have some commits/additions after this thread too.

I expect our rough depth chart to look like:
DE: Blackshear, Wonnum
DE: Sawyer, K Thomas KINLAW (I think Kinlaw still comes here.)
DT: Stallworth, K Smith/Taylor
DT: Ulric, Wideman/A.Thompson (We rotate our DL so much, it's hard to predict a 2 Deep.)
OLB: BAW, Green/Eldridge
OLB: Pittman, Bowen (he's so fast.)
MLB: Moore (the Return and brings a lot of playmaking ability.)
CB: King/Jamyest
CB: Lammons/King
S: DJ Smith, Nasirildeen (he has the size/athletics to start day 1.)
S: Montac, Nairlideen/Wilder
N: Fenton,

The key will be finding the sacks to replace the loss of English, but Blackshear has a much higher ceiling than English ever had (and English is going to probably end up being drafted.) We need Sawyer to lose about 20 lbs and get back to Buzzsaw weight. K Thomas is listed as a DT, but I think we have more depth there and will play him at DE, he showed that he can consistently get in the backfield.

On Offense we return 10 of 11 starters....that's amazing, it includes our Top2 QB's, Top5 Rushers, Our Top5 Receivers and 4of5 starting OL. The guys will have 2 extra weeks of winter practice, another spring, and another fall camp learning Roper's (soon to be improved) offense. We'll start varying the snap count and the complete playbook will be opened up for Bentley. I expect as dramatic a turnaround for our offense as we saw for our defense this year.

Our depth chart is a little easier to predict on offense:
QB: Bentley, McIlwain (both of them will be battling in the Spring Game.)
RB: Dowdle, Tyson William/Turner/Williams (this will be an exciting battle to watch on the spring. competition makes everyone stronger.)
WR: Deebo, Banks/S Smith
WR: Edwards, Googer/Dawkins
WR: Ortre Smith, R Davis/C Terrell (we have WR's rotating too, hard to predict accurate 2 deep.)
TE: Hurst/Crosby, Hinson/Markway We will be DEEP at TE
LT: Pellage(out of the doghouse)/Camper/Daley
LG: Bailey (the rock), Dereoun
C: Knott/Helms (?)
RG: Stanley (Finally...), Helms
RT: Park/Young/Daley

K: J Charlton (former #1 K recruit nationally)
P: S Kelly (so much swag for a Punter.)

RS: Jamyest...give that man the damn ball. I thought Turner was great (he was/is still a great return threat,) but Jamyest is a freak on returns.

Overall, we will have a lot of Jr's, Soph's and RS Fr on the DL. We have an age gap in the 2ndary. We have Sr Leadership there, but their backups will be RS Fr or Fr. (It makes it more apparent to me now that we need some homerun DB recruits still, I get why we are targeting those 2 JUCO DBs, we need both.) I think our offense is going to look completely different next year.

We'll have more returners than we've had at any point in recent memory and A LOT of speed (Deebo, Williams, Turner, Dowdle, Edwards, Banks, and Shi Smith are all sub-4.45 guys, with Deebo, Dowdle and Banks being sub 4.4. we have homerun speed.)

If we get a OL Coach who will make adjustments to snap counts/zones/assignments and hold people accountable for not fricking blocking anybody, then we should have a good year.


I think 8 wins is very realistic as floor.

Wins
Mizzou is burning
Vandy will vandy (they ran well late, but they're can't recruit what they're losing.)
Kent...Muschamp knows he can't lose this one and it's a home.
Tenn...it seriously is a fricking dumpster fire.
Louisiana Tech - nothing really needs to be said.
Wofford - lord, please protect our DL's knees.
NC State - at first I thought about putting them in toss ups...but they haven't recruited any better than we have, they don't have more playmakers, they don't have better coaches, it's a neutral field, and they haven't lost to NCState (or a NC team) this century.

Toss Ups:
UGA - it's at Athens, but their OL is fricked up. Tons of talent on defense though. Chubb and Sony gone, IDK?
UF - McIlwain's offense should be better, but Muschamp's best defenders will be gone, plus they'll have a new DC or that Shannon bozo. I like us at home.
clemson - It's at home and we just might get our own countdown clocks for this game, it worked for them. Plus Watkins, Watson and Williams will be gone.
Arkansas - Will we see the team that beat florida, or loss to a fricking terrbile mizzou team? They can't recruit well, and they're turning into a dumpster like tennessee. However, when they click, they click.

Loss:
aTm - until we beat these jizzards we'll have to wait and see.











This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted by Mr.Sinister
South Carolina
Member since Dec 2012
4956 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 12:16 am to
Seems like a fair assessment.

Really looking forward to having Moore back in the middle LB spot. Got so tired of seeing us gashed up the middle or plays happen right in the area where he would have been.
Posted by UpstateCock2007
Columbia, SC
Member since Mar 2009
7719 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:21 am to
Is Sean Kelly really coming back? I swear he has punted for us for 7 years.
Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
4837 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:23 am to
One guy that wasn't mentioned in this list that is in the race to play OT is Sadarius Hutcherson. Keep hearing positive things about his development.
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
6298 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:54 am to
good read/breakdown on personnel CIYE hopefully the offense will make huge strides in 2017. the quality depth overall should improve significantly by year 3.

obviously the opener at BofA/NCSU stands alone to getting off to a good start to the season. here's a little ongoing scheduling trait involving conference play.

Carolina's SEC openers since Spurrier/2005 - 9 of the past 12 SEC openers have been on the road. USC has managed to break even and win 6 of the 12 despite being away from home. 2016 saw 3 straight SEC road games to start conference play.

the Gamecocks open SEC play on the road once again in 2017, at Missouri. in a year that UGa falls all the way to the first weekend in November, USC is still forced to open SEC play away from W-B. the "model of cooperation" moniker that B'ham uses referring to USC needs to be blown up, destroyed and done away with immediately - especially as it regards to football scheduling and bowl games.

2005 - Athens/Gm 2
2006 - Starkville/Gm 1
2007 - Athens/Gm 2
2008 - Nashville/ Gm 2
2009 - Athens/Gm 2
2010 - Georgia/Gm 2
2011 - Athens/Gm 2
2012 - Nashville/Gm 1
2013 - Athens/Gm 2
2014 - Texas AM/Gm 1
2015 - Kentucky/Gm 2
2016 - Nashville/Gm 1
2017 - Columbia MO/Gm 2

opening SEC play on the road every-other-year is completely understandable. 10 of the 13 most recent SEC openers on the road is pure bullshite.
Posted by atlgamecockman
Washington, DC
Member since Dec 2012
3822 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:56 am to
shite I had no idea it was this bad. Yeah F that.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37613 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:14 am to






I rarely use more than one emoticons CIYE ... but now I'm excited for next season already.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:30 am to
quote:

the Gamecocks open SEC play on the road once again in 2017, at Missouri. in a year that UGa falls all the way to the first weekend in November, USC is still forced to open SEC play away from W-B. the "model of cooperation" moniker that B'ham uses referring to USC needs to be blown up, destroyed and done away with immediately - especially as it regards to football scheduling and bowl games.

2005 - Athens/Gm 2
2006 - Starkville/Gm 1
2007 - Athens/Gm 2
2008 - Nashville/ Gm 2
2009 - Athens/Gm 2
2010 - Georgia/Gm 2
2011 - Athens/Gm 2
2012 - Nashville/Gm 1
2013 - Athens/Gm 2
2014 - Texas AM/Gm 1
2015 - Kentucky/Gm 2
2016 - Nashville/Gm 1
2017 - Columbia MO/Gm 2

opening SEC play on the road every-other-year is completely understandable. 10 of the 13 most recent SEC openers on the road is pure bullshite.


I'm confused as to how to decipher that. Which of those years did we actually open our SEC schedule at home? The ones in bold I guess ... and then Gm 1/Gm 2 is where the game fell on our schedule?

Okay, so I am going to make a point of this at a luncheon I'll be attending next week, a little Christmas thingy, with some key people in attendance.

The SEC scheduling offices have, for years, screwed us with the scheduling. I forget what they did last year but it was something major - was it three or four straight games on the road?

When we first joined the conference they did things like make us wait two months before we got an off week while everyone else, (except Auburn) was getting one or two off weeks in the first couple of months.

A couple two or three years ago we were supposed to get a return trip from MSU ... instead the SEC made us go to LSU and that cost us another trip to Atlanta.

We've got to learn to play the scheduling game and not be so accommodating. It's getting old.
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
6298 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

Which of those years did we actually open our SEC schedule at home? The ones in bold I guess ... and then Gm 1/Gm 2 is where the game fell on our schedule?


yep - that's it. I was kinda in hurry earlier

also, something else regarding Thursday seasons openers that Spurrier liked - Carolina is 3-7 in game 2 on the season following a Thursday season-opener. the extra time to practice hasn't translated into wins. Gamecocks are 2-0 in game 2 following a regular Saturday season-opener since 2005, both wins coming in Athens.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

also, something else regarding Thursday seasons openers that Spurrier liked - Carolina is 3-7 in game 2 on the season following a Thursday season-opener. the extra time to practice hasn't translated into wins. Gamecocks are 2-0 in game 2 following a regular Saturday season-opener since 2005, both wins coming in Athens.


Wow, just wow.

That's crazy.

Okay, I'm going to use that too if you don't mind.

Don't know what good it will do. I led the charge with Ray against letting A&M on our statehouse steps ... he promised, in front of everyone at dinner, that it was a "conversation he was going to have with the Governor" ... but he never did.
Posted by KingSlayer
Member since May 2015
2854 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:45 pm to
The worst screw job they ever gave us was 2012. First, we were supposed to get a return game from a bad MSU team, but due to the one year expansion schedule we instead got a road game at LSU. To compound things, they gave us Georgia at home, LSU on the road, and Florida on the road in 3 consecutive weeks with all three teams preseason top 10 teams.

Getting up for three straight emotional games, two in the toughest road venues in the league, caught up with us in Florida. Didn't help half the team had, or was getting over, the flu for that game. There is no doubt in my mind the league office was trying to undermine our team that year when we got that schedule.
Posted by mikeboss550
Member since Apr 2013
10675 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:54 pm to
I'd also toss Brunson in on the LB rotation.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5884 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 8:19 pm to
No two ways around it. SEC fricked us in 2012. Had we kept the schedule we were due, I'd like to think we give Alabama a great game, and potentially play for a natty.

USC was head-and-shoulders better than UGA that year, and we see how close they came.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37613 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:11 pm to
Well ... they did frick us, that's true. Back to back on the road at LSU and then The Swamp. Yeah ... they really did us wrong. Spilled milk.

One of these days our AD is going to have to stand up and fight back.
Posted by KingSlayer
Member since May 2015
2854 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

One of these days our AD is going to have to stand up and fight back.


I've always felt from the outside that it seems our administration is so grateful and thankful that we got into the conference that we just have to take whatever shite they give us. I could be completely wrong as I have no inside connections, but that's the impression I've always gotten. We seem to be content with whatever gets thrown our way, leadership just doesn't want to make any waves.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 9:48 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37613 posts
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:49 pm to
Well ... I was good friends with Mike McGee and he was a decent negotiator but maybe, I say maybe, just a little ... at that time we were just grateful to be in the conference.

Then along came Eric Hyman and he was a total politician. I really didn't appreciate him as an AD once I got to know him a little. He brought in a few good people. I like Fink. I like Jeff Crane okay, for a ginger, although he too is a little too political and a little too money oriented. And I like Waddell. I was not crazy about Eric, not in the least. All he cared about was building things, spending money and putting his name on everything. His wife got waaaaay too involved with the personal day to day operations of the program, especially the football team.

Ray has basically been learning for a few years now. He's a good guy and he's learned how to make things happen budget wise ... which is important when dealing with the Board. He hired Charlie Bloom from the SEC who has a lot of contacts in Bham having working with Roy Kramer and Mike Slive - but I'm not convinced that has paid off for us so far. Yet Charlie is the heir apparent although, when the time comes, I think Brad Edwards might make a play for the job and he does have allies on the Board and within the system. Anyway, Ray plays well with others including other ADs and he sort of goes-along with whatever comes out of Bham.

Mike McGee was the best AD we've ever had. He was a leader and he brought us a long ways in the SEC and made some great hires along the way ... especially getting Holtz and Spurrier.

Hyman reeled-in Dawn Staley which is his legaxcy hire, plus he got us one or two other important hires in the Olympic Sports. But Eric was not a coaches' AD per se ... he was respected I think, but not well liked. Although, I did see Pauline and him at Coach and Jerri's anniversary party down in Florida, so maybe Coach liked him more than he let on at times.

Paul Dietzel was our second best AD ever ... he loved the university and he put us on the path into the SEC. I loved the man, he was a great man with a really good heart ... I almost got choked up at his funeral. He did a lot of good things for us back in the day.

Bob Marcum was a good guy, I did not know him well. He got caught up in a crazy time for the university - I blame most of it on Holderman.

Jim Carlen was not a great AD, he was good but not great. He was hard headed at times. I was at his funeral as well - I thought a lot of Coach Carlen and we were friends for a long time. He too loved the university.

King Dixon, he truly loves the University. Most of us always call him Colonel ... he got us through some tough times.

Dick Bestwick ... I never met the man.

So, back to the original though - yes, we need to fight the battles that are winnable and scheduling is one of those at least some of the time. The coaches have pretty much been removed from the equation. They are simply required to play and win the games.

I forget who it is that Ray has dealing with the schedule makers in Bham. It's not Waddell I don't think and it's not Jeff Crane. It may be O'Connell, it may be Speronis (but I doubt it). It's not Charlie Bloom and I don't think it's Shawn. I'm just not sure but it may come to me when I'm not trying so hard to remember.

Bottom line is Bham pretty much tells us what our schedule is going to be conference wise and we fill in the blanks with the OOC games. IF we get wind of the SEc schedule in time, there is a little time to plead for certain cases but I am not sure we've ever been granted anything in our favor.

Last I heard they hired an outside firm in Bham to plus it all into a program and set the schedule. I have heard that Alabama, and Saban, had a year where several (like 4 or 5) teams had weeks off before playing them (including us if I remember correctly) and after that Bama and Saban raised so much hell that some believe they get special consideration when scheduling time comes around.

Auburn has been screwed almost as many times as we have if that tells you anything.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Hyman reeled-in Dawn Staley which is his legaxcy hire, plus he got us one or two other important hires in the Olympic Sports.


He also left us with the parting gift of Frank Martin. Which is way more important than the Stanley hire imo.
Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
4837 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 10:06 am to
Well son of a bitch... word is that Skai may not be playing for us next year after all.
Posted by lungbuster06
Member since Dec 2014
639 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 10:55 am to
Why for?
Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
4837 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 11:22 am to
Well one of the 247 guys said he heard that but muschamp's presser said he expects him to be back
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