State Paper article on Zion's recruitment

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Is clemson's willingness to get a player that will only be there for 1 year going to unravel all of the work the bagmen have done?

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I honestly don't think in this day and age in the big 2 major college sports any teams will ever be really hit that hard over bagmen.

Look at the teams like USC and Miami.
Not that bad, they seem to be going along just fine.

The NCAA isn't going to crush their cash cows like that.
And even though Clemson isn't a cash cow in basketball, they're still in the acc.

The only way the NCAA will get truly involved is child abuse/sexual abuse etc. And even that they'll then come back and rescind punishments.

At the end of the day when all this comes out for Ole Miss, Clemson, Alabama who ever.

The NCAA will strap them with scholly reductions, maybe a one year post season ban for a basketball team that isn't even close to making it, and some kind of probation.

Then they'll "investigate" extra hard, come down on baseball, softball and women's basketball, and say they did a good job.

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They were absolute dog shite for quite a while because of it.

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Were they? BY USC standards... prob.

But Carroll left them (with a pretty good team too)

Lane's next 3 years 8-5, 10-2, 7-6 (lane left middle of a 3-2 year)
Gone.

Then their next 4 years were 10-4 (the 3-2 year), 9-4, 8-6 (played in the pac 12 title), 10-3 (Rose Bowl)



Miami, never seemed to miss a beat with talent, just had shite coaches.

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They're fine now. They were absolute dog shite for quite a while because of it. UNC? yeah they are a horse of a different color nearing untouchable. a handful of years of football success won't mask this namely because the teams that Clemson would beat to get this kid, UK, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, will cause a stink and they are much bigger fish in this fight.

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Yeah I agree: Clemson is an ACC school, but in terms of MBB what does this mean? Clemson's MBB program is shite, and they have little to zero impact on the $$ that the NCAA makes off of MBB. And they being put on NCAA sanctions would have little to zero impact on the MBB success of the ACC, because they never factor into that to begin with.

Meanwhile, UK, UNC, UCLA, Kansas are some of the traditional bluebloods of the sport, and if they choose to raise any ruckus over this, then the NCAA will certainly listen.

But like others I seriously doubt Williamson is going to stay in-state as it is. In any case, USC or CU are rebuilding programs - USC is further along than CU is - and if Williamson is going to be a one-and-done type of player, then his camp wants the best opportunity for him to get ample playing time - if not outright starting time - on a national program that's already a top program, and thus will get LOTS of media attention and win LOTS of games and be in the discussion for a late NCAAT run. And then actually make that late into the NCAAT run, to further push Williamson into the media limelight and highlight his abilities for the next level.

They will look for the best opportunity for him to market himself for a high NBA draft round, and what we need and especially what Clemson needs are players that will stay for a bit, develop as players and help lift the program. Both Coach Martin and Brownell for CU are not the type of coaches who prep players for early entrance into the NBA - they need time to develop players for their systems...

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Ben Simmons went to LSU

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Didn't Shaq admit on national TV that he was bought and paid for at this school. That didn't surprise me at all. I can't imagine that Fultz got paid nothing to go to Washington either.

Also, both of these guys were the first 2 ever to play college ball for a team that didn't make the tournament and get picked #1 overall.

How did it hurt?

he still was taken #1.

Sure there may have been "2nd guessing" but he still was taken 1st.

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has later been interviewed stating that his time at LSU was a waste of time for him

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I think a lot of one and dones will say that honestly.
I think it's a stupid rule. Let the kids go to the pros.
I think it actually hurts their draft status coming from HS (and after all rankings). More tape on these kids, more time for scouts to see em, and down their stock goes.

but I understand its a rule from the NBA players union

It wouldn't surprise me if Zion chose to go to Clemson. Apparently his step father, or uncle once removed went to Clemson, and that's all it takes. Then there are USC legacies who wouldn't touch USC with a 20-foot pole, it seems like these days.....

There's only so much money to go around. Do you think Clemson boosters will waste their funds on basketball, when their investment in football is paying such dividends?

Zion is likely headed to Kentucky. Martin wants him, but Martin doesn't "need" him. This is Calipari's wheelhouse.

Zion skipped his official to UK this weekend. TIFWIW....