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Univ of Florida professor lowers grade for use of the non gender neutral word “man”

Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:31 pm
Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 5:31 pm
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Hardly the greatest paper in the world, but is this what we're really marking down for in schools?




Writing Mechanic #20, showing students the correct word choice with regards to “mankind” and “humankind.”








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In addition, the night before the papers were returned to students, Professor Davis sent a copy of Poirier’s essay to the entire class and asked the students to “scrutinize” the mechanics and content of his essay for the following class period. According to Poirier, Professor Davis refers to this as putting a student in the “hot seat."


seriously, frick this guy

(and frick that horrendously written paper)
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 10:19 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:27 pm to
Poirier should be grateful that he received a B- for that drivel. His grammar and use of pronouns are the least of his problems.

Witness the opening sentence:

quote:

Water is a thing prior to man, elemental in the original sense, it is totally integral to the experience of living phenomena, it is being and becoming in most of what can be witnessed.


The whole essay is like that. What the hell did he say? I'm shocked that this is from a UF student. Isn't that school supposed to be academically elite? For shame.

The professor can mandate the use of gender neutral words. If he did, then Poirier has no argument. It can be a learning experience for students.

I think Professor Davis was remiss in not pointing out the student's very clumsy attempt at stringing together cogent thoughts about water and mankind. Thoughtful paper? No, and it's disturbing to think that it's just a one-page essay, and double spaced at that.



Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
6855 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:08 pm to
the fact that he focuses on that over every other terrible part of the paper is even more pathetic.
Posted by JohnnyRebel
Colorado
Member since Sep 2014
7185 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:35 pm to
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seriously, frick this guy


You took the thoughts out my head.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46442 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:43 pm to
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What the hell did he say?


Water has been around a lot longer than people, is necessary for our survival, and can be found in most anything.

The problem with that particular sentence isn't the message but the typical purple prose used by most college freshmen that are still figuring out 1.) they don't know everything and 2.) effectively communicating an idea doesn't mean sounding like the world's worst slam poet.

ETA: For what is supposed to be a history paper, there is supposed to be an adherence to academic language and "humankind" is the more scholarly accepted word than "mankind." A trivial thing to take points off for relative to the tonal issues that plague the rest of the paper, but technically incorrect nonetheless. Methinks y'all are trying to make this into an SJW thing when, really, it's just a poorly written paper for a college history course.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:00 pm to
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the fact that he focuses on that over every other terrible part of the paper is even more pathetic.


Yeah, it's a terrible essay in every regard and for the professor to focus on gender neutrality is silly. That certainly isn't germane to the course. I'm thinking it's one of his peeves and he makes his statements by dictating his opinions to his students.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:06 pm to
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Methinks y'all are trying to make this into an SJW thing when, really, it's just a poorly written paper for a college history course.


Yes.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46442 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:12 pm to
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I'm thinking it's one of his peeves and he makes his statements by dictating his opinions to his students.


Seems more to me like the professor is just being nitpicky and called the student to task for trying to pass off a piece of creative writing for what is supposed to be an upper level college history course. In response, the student claimed his teacher was being an SJW to deflect attention away from the fact that the paper is just not good and the professor opted to use it as a teaching tool for the whole class to the embarrassment of the student (only mistake there is that the professor had better make this a regular practice with everyone's papers fair game or you're liable to get this exact situation where a student overreacts and claims bias).

Both the professor and the student are being dumb but, hey, that's Florida
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 9:14 pm
Posted by TheSandman
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Member since Nov 2010
19409 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:16 pm to
This paper knocked ten points off of my IQ and twenty years off of my life

Only problem I have with the professor is him not being hard enough
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 10:18 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:24 pm to
I'm probably totally incorrect, but I could have sworn that the APA style of writing demands that you use both major gender pronouns when you make a reference to gender.

This is more on the student, though, beause he should have used Mankind or Humankind rather than simply ''man''. His usage is archaic and may not be within the guidelines of his essay.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 6:21 am to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 6:32 am to
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Water is a thing prior to man, elemental in the original sense, it is totally integral to the experience of living phenomena, it is being and becoming in most of what can be witnessed.


I'd have given him an F for this alone.
Posted by Tidemeister
Member since May 2016
1234 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:46 pm to
So Neil Amrstrong should be shamed for daring to tell the world as he stepped on the Moon, "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind."

To satisfy the uber liberal elite he should have said, "one small step for humans, one giant leap for humankind."
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 5:47 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:03 pm to
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So Neil Amrstrong should be shamed for daring to tell the world as he stepped on the Moon, "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind."

To satisfy the uber liberal elite he should have said, "one small step for humans, one giant leap for humankind."


While I understand and agree with your comments, I bristle whenever I see Armstrong's quote without the a before man. He insisted that he included it. Debate rages to this day about whether he actually said, "One small step for a man...," with the a being inaudible because of recording technology of the day. Some experts say he did while others insist that he didn't. Since he is history's greatest explorer and one of the nicest men who ever lived, I think we should honor him by including that a. It was very important to him.

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Words said when Armstrong first stepped onto the moon (20 July 1969). In the actual sound recordings he apparently fails to say "a" before "man" and says: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." This was generally considered by many to simply be an error of omission on his part. Armstrong long insisted he did say "a man" but that it was inaudible. Prior to new evidence supporting his claim, he stated a preference for the "a" to appear in parentheses when the quote is written. In September 2006 evidence based on new analysis of the recordings conducted by Peter Shann Ford, a computer programmer based in Sydney, Australia, whose company Control Bionics helps physically handicapped people to use their own nerve impulses to communicate through computers, indicated that Armstrong had said the missing "a." This information was presented to Armstrong and NASA on 28 September 2006 and reported in the Houston Chronicle (30 September 2006). The debate continues on the matter, as "Armstrong's 'poetic' slip on Moon" at BBC News (3 June 2009) reports that more recent analysis by linguist John Olsson and author Chris Riley with higher quality recordings indicates that he did not say "a".
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:01 am to
I disagree with the prof's insertion of a comma in the 5th line of the essay and there are a number of other errors he/she didn't mark. Otherwise, I think the grading is OK. If anything, it's generous.

"Areas...be them mountains, deserts or seas"?

"peasants engaged in intensive work such as rice"?
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 10:07 am
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:22 am to
That was difficult to read. High schools are failing these idiots miserably.
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