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So... Some things passed the NCAA vote...

Posted on 4/15/17 at 1:15 am
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 1:15 am
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I am sure this is Germans, Correct?

I looked, but have been at the hospital all day...

If it isn't Germans, go full boar ahead..
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42620 posts
Posted on 4/15/17 at 1:25 am to
Getting rid of two-a-days is a smart move. It should help players stay healthier and recover from nagging injuries.

Tenth coach is good for us but really benefits the bigger schools more than the smaller FBS schools which may be at a bit of disadvantage there with salaries and budgets.

Not sure about the early signing period. I can see pros and cons for it and I'm sure a few schools will figure out a way to advantage themselves while it's new but once whatever strategy they come up with is well known it will even out.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 1:34 am to
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Not sure about the early signing period. I can see pros and cons for it and I'm sure a few schools will figure out a way to advantage themselves while it's new but once whatever strategy they come up with is well known it will even out.


100% against this proposal, in no way is it in the student athletes best interest. The NCAA long ago whored itself out
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 3:16 am to
What would be the pros and cons of the early signing period?
Posted by The muffintime
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 4:27 am to
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What would be the pros and cons of the early signing period?

I'm far too exhausted right now to really analyze the ins and outs but my first gut reaction is that an early signing period is just going to end up as another way for schools to take advantage of recruits. There will be massive pressure on the kids to sign during this early period, with inevitably lots of coaches telling them that if they don't sign early then their spots will be in serious jeopardy. Think grayshirting but on a whole different scale.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 5:09 am to
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What would be the pros and cons of the early signing period?


Depends on if you believe the multimillionaire coaches have the kids or their own best interest at heart.

IMHO the best thing for the kids would be to move the signing period as well as any and all contact BACK until mid June, let them be students and graduate without the circus and distractions.

Those who have witnessed recruiting first hand and are not part of the system tend to agree, those that are in the system want it moved up even further.
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 6:55 am to
Why have an early signing period if schools are just going to let students out of their letter of intent anyway?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:02 am to
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Why have an early signing period if schools are just going to let students out of their letter of intent anyway?
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:19 am to
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100% against this proposal, in no way is it in the student athletes best interest.
how so? If they're not for sure then don't sign yet. I mean it's not like they can't wait until nsd in feb. still.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:22 am to
If they sign them that scholarship is filled. Coach can't pull the scholly after you've signed the lio so the kids who would be "pressured" as you say aren't gonna be some fringe 3 star who the school is trying to grab to fill holes a day before signing day. These are gonna be highly recruited athletes and most that are that good know it. I doubt a coach would help his cause telling a 5 star linebacker if you don't sign right now your spots gonna get taken
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 9:23 am
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:48 am to
I actually found the link to the Bo Davis penalty more informative. Ha.

It's going to be interesting to see how the early signing one will work out. May just fade away, and not used much. Especially if early enough to where kids are still playing in HS. If they get hurt...what happens with the scholly? Will HS Srs start protecting themselves once they've agreed to it. Etc etc

I get the purpose, and agree with it. Just seeing different ways it can go bad. First school wanting to pull the scholarship of a kid who had a career ending injury, and he cant go get an education for free will create a marketing nightmare. Best just find money for him somewhere else.

Lots of UT people hate Dooley, but iirc he offered a scholarship to a friend of a major recruit who came with him to a UT camp, and got hurt. Perhaps more to it, but from the outside looking in it was a nice move.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:59 am to
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100% against this proposal, in no way is it in the student athletes best interest. The NCAA long ago whored itself out


High school coaches seem to dig it.

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Big changes appear to be coming to the football recruiting calendar, and that's largely a positive several Alabama high school coaches told AL.com

The NCAA Division I Council approved a recommendation for a football early signing period today, which would allow seniors to sign during a 72-hour period beginning the third Wednesday of December.

The Collegiate Commissioners Association, which governs the National Letter of Intent program, must also sign off on the change at its June meeting before it can take effect. Currently, players cannot sign until the first Wednesday in February.

"Anything that gives our kids an opportunity to do what's best for them, I'm in absolute support of," James Clemens coach Wade Waldrop said. "It's just another opportunity for a high school athlete to take care of their business sooner than February. It gives those kids more security and more opportunity to make those decisions quicker and do what's best for them quicker and not be hanging on longer."

Waldrop's 2017 class included SEC signees LaBryan Ray (Alabama), Kyriq McDonald (Alabama, early enrollee) and Monty Rice (Georgia, after a late flip from LSU).

"A kid doesn't have to sign on that (December) date," Waldrop said. "Nobody is making them sign on that date. But if that option is on the table, and a kid knows what they want to do, then I think it's great that they're going to have the opportunity to do that."

Daphne coach and former Alabama defensive lineman Kenny King said the December date would have intrigued him as a high school player.

"I think I would have (signed early)," he said. "I think it would be good to go and get it behind you and focus on the job at hand."

Davidson coach Fred Riley, who spent nine years in the college ranks during the 1980s, noted that an early signing date falls in line with the increasing popularity of early enrollment.

"I have no problem with the December date," he said. "I don't see a big deal with it, one way or the other. The last few years, a lot of our kids have graduated in December anyhow and moved on, so it's beneficial for them. I don't see it affecting how we do things at all."

The early signing period would appear to benefit mid-major teams whose commitments are sometimes poached by Power Five programs in the lead up to National Signing Day.

"Some coaches are going to be glad because you don't lose as many guys toward the end of the signing period," Riley said, "where you have to go back and try to figure out which direction you're going to go. It gives them a chance, right before the new year, to regroup and say, 'OK, we've lost our top quarterback prospect. We're going to pursue our second one as hard as we can. Who's the next one we're really going to go for and do we have a chance to get him?' It makes recruiting meetings a little different in terms of how they make those type decisions."

One drawback to an earlier signing date is that the college coaching carousel tends to be very active during December and January. A player who signs early could find himself bound to a school with a new coaching staff that he never interacted with.

"You can preach and preach to the kids, 'Don't go somewhere because of a coach,'" Thompson coach Mark Freeman said, "but there's certain coaches who draw a kid because of their success and character. Those guys are professionals at what they do. The recruiting process with these big schools is a very organized system of knowing what to say and how to say it. I think kids get taken in by it even with the advice your give."

As part of the NCAA proposal, a first window for official visits would run from April of a player's junior year through the Sunday before the last Wednesday in June. Under current rules, players cannot take an official visit until their first day of senior classes.

Freeman, who likes the December signing date, said he couldn't fully agree with earlier visitation periods.

"I like the way it used to be when the kids were seniors and colleges could come through and recruit them," he said. "Now you see eighth graders getting offers. It takes a mature kid to handle that exposure. I don't feel good with anything that disrupts the total team. The thing that worries me is it almost feels like we're starting to individualize high school football. I hate that because what I love about coaching is building character and all the cohesiveness of being team that I feel goes a lot further with them in their life."

There had also been debate about adding an early signing period in June prior to a player's senior year, but that proposal was voted down.

"The summer date was an issue for all of us," Riley said. "What's to keep a kid from saying, 'Well, I've got my scholarship. I'm not going to play for my high school this year.'? Or they get halfway through the season, the season is going bad and they decide to do what some of these kids have done in college and not play in the bowl game. That was a recipe for disaster."


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This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 10:01 am
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:04 am to
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how so? If they're not for sure then don't sign yet. I mean it's not like they can't wait until nsd in feb. still.



You have obviously never been or had anyone close to you recruited heavily if you asked this question.

Big Time coaches are snake oil salesmen, and turning the pack loose on kids during the school year with the constant barrage by them is not helpful, this is not even getting into the whackjob fanbase stalkers.

If it was as simple as picking a school and signing that would be different but things have turned into a freakshow/circus especially due to social media.

Every person they know from friends, current coaches, teachers, and family are in their ear constantly and the menagerie that surrounds recruiting will not let these kids get a moments peace and makes it very difficult to be a student.

Think about how many grown men are basing their self worth on the basis of what a teenager decides to do, it is actually pretty shameful.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:11 am to
And to add...I really do think that some of the recruiting tactics have gotten pretty bad. Pics of Nick Saban chatting with a teenage boy at his locker is just odd. If it were just some other none school faculty member it would be questioned. I know I know bama fans...others do it.

Texting into the night, following them on twitter, etc. Just so much odd that is overlooked cause it's 'crutin. Grown men shouldn't be doing this kind of stuff.

Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:15 am to
I can imagine a scenario where the first time a kid wants to sign early and the school tells him, "not yet - wait until February," kind of thing happens .... so there are some nuances to all of this that are going to be interesting.

December though, it's not such a big deal.

August would have made more sense if they were going to go full bore with this filling.

December seems like a minor capitulation to the few who have been pushing for an early signing period for years. Those being the smaller schools from Tier 2 conferences who were trying to prevent losing commits to the P5 just before, or on, Signing Day.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25568 posts
Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:15 am to
I'm with you 10000%.

I've been saying to push it back for years because of the silly season (coaching carousel where 1 vacancy affects 30 schools in chain reaction ). It should be a weeks after the super bowl.

You can argue that kids should commit to the school and not the coach/recruiter. Well... who do you think is making promises to the kid? The school? Hell no.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:22 am to
On the basketball end the early signing period has been fine. You have guys that know where they want to go early and go ahead and sign with a program, allowing them to focus on the rest of their senior year of HS. A lot of the top players will wait until the later period so they can see what rosters look like after players declare for the NBA or transfer.

Personally, I like it for football because it'll likely benefit somewhere like Kentucky who has lost some top kids to some powerhouses who swoop in at the last minute of the late period with an offer when one of their other recruits doesn't pan out.
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:41 am to
As for the 10th coach, I think it's probably assured that Alabama will use that for a quarterback coach. I wonder if it will be Chris Weinke or former Ole Miss O.C/QB coach Dan Werner, both of whom are already on Saban's staff as offensive analysts.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16512 posts
Posted on 4/15/17 at 11:47 am to
early signing period has not been bad for basketball
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 6:25 pm to
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Personally, I like it for football because it'll likely benefit somewhere like Kentucky who has lost some top kids to some powerhouses who swoop in at the last minute of the late period with an offer when one of their other recruits doesn't pan out.


I can see that from a school or fan's perspective, but is that really the best thing for the student? I don't know.
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