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Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:31 pm
Its time to start a positive thread...I dont usually start threads if you look at my post history...I usually let others start them and then reply.
Atl...you are full of spunk and a Gator...bless you. Straw, I usually disagree with you about Muschamp but I still respect you and even Slayer, Box and others are good people. No one can look at our offense and think it is great...but I do feel right or wrong that the future is bright...and why bitch all the time if HC Mac is going be here until 2018 at least?
Ok....back to the thread, lets look at positive in our Gatorworld. We are currently ranked, defeated a very good LSU team at their house in a game full of emotional turmoil. Although the offense struggled at times...it also excelled at a beautifully executed 98 yd bomb from Appleby to true frosh WR Cleveland AND our OL at times manhandled LSU's defense with some really tough punishing runs by our RBs. We have beaten UGA (who beat AU), USC, Vandy (who has shown they are not total pushovers) Mizzou, LSU & UK.
Dont you believe otherwise that UT wouldnt love to be in our shoes....or any of the east members. The negative sewer holes that spew venom will of course scoff at ANY damn accomplishment because it doesnt fit in their arguments. Oh....the east is down etc etc. Since I warned that this is a positive thread and to choose to bash the Gators, the coaches or players...then I WILL blister your azz with venom of my own...dont give a damn if Im banned.
the fricking title of this board is Gator Sports....no?
You are correct Atl that there are alters and it pizzes me off that this board gives free rein to let screwballs from other teams come on this board when we cant access theirs and I certainly dont wanna access the tribal nation who suck donkey dicks. One in particular galls me to no end....and of course he was his usual negative self before the LSU game and predicted gloom and doom. He had to shut up for a week though.
It would be a great pleasure to meet some of the posters in person...you know...to place a face with a fist...err...sorry I meant with a name. I love the Gators and bleed orange and blue blood...so you have that. Im like "too much Gator in me"
and if Im guilty of that....so be it.
And its not just our football team...we do have the best sports program in the SEC and the fricking injuns have squat. We didnt cheat with tutors to keep dumb azz players qualified to play. Diddy Bowden was a cheating SOB. Mickey Andrews was a toad literally and I always prayed he would swallow his toothpick or his fricking tongue and choke to death on the sidelines. What does the girls school have in redeeming social value? A fricking clown school? Ketchup and mustard colored turds...thats all.
The few clown loving co workers knew to stay the fricking away from me this week or risk a work place homicide Yeah.,..Im fiesty as hell if provoked. The Florida State College for Women was the target for our grandfathers or for some of you...the target of great grandfathers on weekends. They are still looser than a goose.....damn tramps.
Ok...I think I covered the bases
Atl...you are full of spunk and a Gator...bless you. Straw, I usually disagree with you about Muschamp but I still respect you and even Slayer, Box and others are good people. No one can look at our offense and think it is great...but I do feel right or wrong that the future is bright...and why bitch all the time if HC Mac is going be here until 2018 at least?
Ok....back to the thread, lets look at positive in our Gatorworld. We are currently ranked, defeated a very good LSU team at their house in a game full of emotional turmoil. Although the offense struggled at times...it also excelled at a beautifully executed 98 yd bomb from Appleby to true frosh WR Cleveland AND our OL at times manhandled LSU's defense with some really tough punishing runs by our RBs. We have beaten UGA (who beat AU), USC, Vandy (who has shown they are not total pushovers) Mizzou, LSU & UK.
Dont you believe otherwise that UT wouldnt love to be in our shoes....or any of the east members. The negative sewer holes that spew venom will of course scoff at ANY damn accomplishment because it doesnt fit in their arguments. Oh....the east is down etc etc. Since I warned that this is a positive thread and to choose to bash the Gators, the coaches or players...then I WILL blister your azz with venom of my own...dont give a damn if Im banned.
the fricking title of this board is Gator Sports....no?
You are correct Atl that there are alters and it pizzes me off that this board gives free rein to let screwballs from other teams come on this board when we cant access theirs and I certainly dont wanna access the tribal nation who suck donkey dicks. One in particular galls me to no end....and of course he was his usual negative self before the LSU game and predicted gloom and doom. He had to shut up for a week though.
It would be a great pleasure to meet some of the posters in person...you know...to place a face with a fist...err...sorry I meant with a name. I love the Gators and bleed orange and blue blood...so you have that. Im like "too much Gator in me"
and if Im guilty of that....so be it. And its not just our football team...we do have the best sports program in the SEC and the fricking injuns have squat. We didnt cheat with tutors to keep dumb azz players qualified to play. Diddy Bowden was a cheating SOB. Mickey Andrews was a toad literally and I always prayed he would swallow his toothpick or his fricking tongue and choke to death on the sidelines. What does the girls school have in redeeming social value? A fricking clown school? Ketchup and mustard colored turds...thats all.
The few clown loving co workers knew to stay the fricking away from me this week or risk a work place homicide
Yeah.,..Im fiesty as hell if provoked. The Florida State College for Women was the target for our grandfathers or for some of you...the target of great grandfathers on weekends. They are still looser than a goose.....damn tramps. Ok...I think I covered the bases
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:40 pm to reel_gator8
Awesome post, reel. 
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:49 pm to reel_gator8
Yeah, I'm not reading that wall of text. Cliffs?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:50 pm to reel_gator8
Drinking during the day is always a good thing!! Go gators!
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:42 pm to finchmeister08
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Cliffs?
He doesn't like you.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:52 pm to UF
Meet & Greet location is here:
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:59 pm to slayerxing
I was smart enough to title this thread correctly and it needed to be said by someone. Now I will admit I defended Pell, Galen, ..hell even Dickey in pre web days (you just dont know how close we came to having our back break it for 79 yds on 4th down), Spurrier didnt need defending, Hoke did, Zook and Muschamp.
Sure we can be negative about most of these coaches, but I can just as easily point out positives. I think we have great coach and teacher of young men in Mac. He loves the players and they know it. There are some things more important in life than a game...even if I do live vicariously through our teams performances. Do we want a shady character like ULs coach? I sure dont. No way no how. Do we want coaches who tolerate or worse yet, encourage our defense to hurt players? I dont. We could be UT and none of us want that I dont think. Certainly not UGA. Put yourselves in some of these other fans shoes and realize we are in much better shape and better off. Are we where we WANT to be? Hell no...I want SEC Championships and CFP.
The offense has definitely been painful to watch at times, but think about this nugget...you are a OC and you have a top 5 nationally ranked defense to lean on but QB play has been spotty...you are trying to get to Atlanta and thats not a moral victory...its chance to compete when others have to watch on TV. So you already know that your frosh QBs arent ready...almost but there would be Ls against possibly USC, LSU...is that you want? Hell, the coaches see the product on the practice field every damn day and they see it ...not some of the brainiacs on this board. So we want UT to go to Atlanta instead???Are you fricking kidding me? Thats insane.
The whole gist of this is we do have positives and yes we do have negatives....but again Grier was a r/s frosh and Franks or Trask will be also
Actually only one beer but my liver is still boycotting me for Saturday
Sure we can be negative about most of these coaches, but I can just as easily point out positives. I think we have great coach and teacher of young men in Mac. He loves the players and they know it. There are some things more important in life than a game...even if I do live vicariously through our teams performances. Do we want a shady character like ULs coach? I sure dont. No way no how. Do we want coaches who tolerate or worse yet, encourage our defense to hurt players? I dont. We could be UT and none of us want that I dont think. Certainly not UGA. Put yourselves in some of these other fans shoes and realize we are in much better shape and better off. Are we where we WANT to be? Hell no...I want SEC Championships and CFP.
The offense has definitely been painful to watch at times, but think about this nugget...you are a OC and you have a top 5 nationally ranked defense to lean on but QB play has been spotty...you are trying to get to Atlanta and thats not a moral victory...its chance to compete when others have to watch on TV. So you already know that your frosh QBs arent ready...almost but there would be Ls against possibly USC, LSU...is that you want? Hell, the coaches see the product on the practice field every damn day and they see it ...not some of the brainiacs on this board. So we want UT to go to Atlanta instead???Are you fricking kidding me? Thats insane.
The whole gist of this is we do have positives and yes we do have negatives....but again Grier was a r/s frosh and Franks or Trask will be also
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slayerxing
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Drinking during the day is always a good thing!! Go gators!
Actually only one beer but my liver is still boycotting me for Saturday
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:34 pm to reel_gator8
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Now I will admit I defended Pell, Galen, ..hell even Dickey
Galen got screwed. I'm not going to look this up to verify but it seems to me he and UF got hammered for things that, by today's standards, would have resulted in having to pay back some money and sit out a few games and at worst vacate a couple games. Didn't he get someone a bus ticket so they could go home or something? If that happened today, it would be reported, the kid would pay back the bus ticket money, and nothing would happen.
Pell was deeper in the weeds and the stuff he did wasn't good, with regard to probation. However, Pell did something no other coach at UF had done - he awakened the giant. Bear Bryant said for years that Florida had all the right ingredients and that the program was like a sleeping giant.
Pell changed that. Some of his teams were literally beating the shite out of other teams. The Great Wall of Florida is still the best OL in school history. Pell built that wall.
Had he not been followed by Hall, who kept things going for a year and a half or so, that would have been bad.
Fortunately Bill Arnsbarger (sp?) came in to help clean up the program and he did so in a very quick manner. He was able to keep the ship from sinking and he hired Spurrier, then turned over the UAA to Foley, who was the best AD in school history. He knew Spurrier was an offensive savant and that Spurrier was adamant about playing within NCAA rules. That was one of the most masterful hires and transitions in the history of the university or any athletic program anywhere.
The main thing I didn't like from Pell is that he brought all that damn Clemson orange with him.
Doug Dickey sucked. UF had some very good offenses in the Woodruff years and during Spurrier's time as a player. Dickey installed an offense that was not suited in any way for the talent on hand and he systematically ruined the program. By the time he pulled his head out of his arse and brought Spurrier in to be his OC, the damage was done and he got fired.
I've always been amazed he actually had success elsewhere. And it's hard to believe he was a UF alum, and then went up to sleep with the Vols then came back then went to the Vols again. Well, he got hired by Woodruff who was the Vol AD and Dickey's coach in college. I guess nepotism made all of that possible.
Oddly, Dickey was responsible for some of the traditions the sister frickers love so much like the "Power T" on the helmets and the "Power T" or whatever it is the band forms for the players to run through and he put in the checkerboard endzone. Vol fans don't like to admit a Gator alum started that stuff.
I guess UF got its revenge. Spurrier left Tenn to play in Gainesville and then beat Fulmer's fat arse on a regular basis, and Dickey was AD at UT during all of Spurrier's years.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:02 pm to UF
Actually UF the real story was that Galen told asst grad coach Phil Bromley (a center in his days) to take Jarvis Williams (an AA type DB) to Palatka where he could pay a fine to keep from being arrested for back child support. The mother of the child was vindictive and blew the whistle. The crime was that Bromley "supposedly" had envelope he gave to Williams. No proof was ever given and the punishment was meted out in 1990 against Spurriers first team at UF and they couldnt go to a bowl. UGA pushed for vacating SEC title won the field 2 years afterwards. UT was given the title but they did decline to try and take the trophy away....even though they beat the shite out of us In Knoxvegas for Spurriers first loss 45-3. Now you have the whole story.
Correct that in 1970 Dickey tried to convert a great dropback passer in John Reaves (btw father in law to Layla Kiffin) to a veer QB with putrid results. However, you must look at some great UF teams from 1974-76 that were some of the most offensively potent wishbone teams in the country...we had speed to fricking burn. Everyone was converting to wishbone offense then and even Bama and AU did. But Bama had the defense to go with it..winning a NC. After the phase out of the wishbone after 1977, UF went through an awful period of inept QBs and lack of overall talent. But in the glory days of wishbone..we had Wes Chandler...the best and most athletic player to EVER suit up for UF...a 3rd overall pick and thats the highest drafted SEC WR to this day in modern history.
I met Doug Dickey in Pensacola back in early 1980s and it was an interesting conversation. I also met several of his players and had long talks...good stuff. Also met with quite a few of Galens players in Tampa and they were fun to talk with...Bob Hewko especially.
Correct that in 1970 Dickey tried to convert a great dropback passer in John Reaves (btw father in law to Layla Kiffin) to a veer QB with putrid results. However, you must look at some great UF teams from 1974-76 that were some of the most offensively potent wishbone teams in the country...we had speed to fricking burn. Everyone was converting to wishbone offense then and even Bama and AU did. But Bama had the defense to go with it..winning a NC. After the phase out of the wishbone after 1977, UF went through an awful period of inept QBs and lack of overall talent. But in the glory days of wishbone..we had Wes Chandler...the best and most athletic player to EVER suit up for UF...a 3rd overall pick and thats the highest drafted SEC WR to this day in modern history.
I met Doug Dickey in Pensacola back in early 1980s and it was an interesting conversation. I also met several of his players and had long talks...good stuff. Also met with quite a few of Galens players in Tampa and they were fun to talk with...Bob Hewko especially.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 10:36 am to reel_gator8
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Actually UF the real story was that Galen told asst grad coach Phil Bromley (a center in his days) to take Jarvis Williams (an AA type DB) to Palatka where he could pay a fine to keep from being arrested for back child support. The mother of the child was vindictive and blew the whistle. The crime was that Bromley "supposedly" had envelope he gave to Williams. No proof was ever given
Good recall there. Bromley was a great center despite being relatively small compared to others. Jarvis Williams and Louis Oliver used to wreck people in the secondary. Williams knocked out Melvin Bratton one year. That was like the shot heard around the world. I can't remember if it was the same game of James Jones' one handed catch as he fell into the end zone or not. But that catch ended up on the cover of SI if I remember correctly.
About Dickey - he tried to convert Reeves, and that mistake was repeated by Bill Curry I believe, trying to have Tim Couch run the option. Things coaches do sometimes are baffling. Clay Travis says most of these coaches would be PE teachers if not for football. He may be right about some of them. But Dickey went to the wishbone because everyone else was running it and he neglected the defense.
Dickey switched to the wishbone without telling the players. Why? 'because we had more runners' - this was in 1974, with Wes Chandler on campus. The entire summer went by with players thinking they were in the old offense. They show up to fall drills and, surprise, wishbone time.
The offensive coordinator at the time said it was best to just call a play and run it and not read the defense.
Any coaching staff that behaves in this way has no chance to succeed. There was just no rhyme or reason to how Dickey ran the program.
Goes to the wishbone without telling the players until they show up for fall practice; does it with Wes Chandler on campus; neglects the defense; somehow manages to get Collinsworth so then he had two all time greats plus very good receivers like McGriff, but didn't bother bringing in a QB that could pass them the ball well and how could he - he was running the option.
A while back I was trying to remember one of the QB's names and found a wikipedia page for the 1970-79 team - it's no longer there. I think it's a conspiracy from Dickey who got tired of seeing his name dragged through the mud.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 5:07 pm to UF
I can refresh your memory on QBs...during the wishbone era we did have Terry LeCount from Jax who also played safety, WR and RB...extremely fast but not a good passer...think current Ga Tech type. We had Jimmy Fisher from Tampa who was the best passer as a wishbone QB and was very talented as a runner as all wishbone QBs need to be. The backfield was absolutely loaded with speed and featured Jimmy Dubose as a fullback who could (and did) break it 80 yds with speed and power, Tony Green who was elusive and fast as hell and broke many long runs, JR Richards ditto, Willie Wilder ditto ditto and the other fullback I forget his name but he was fast and carried the ball on the fourth and 1 against UGA. Dickey did take us to four straight bowls 1973-77 including the Sugar Bowl. Wes Chandler was all everything and a first team AA 2 yrs in a row 1976-77. He played QB, RB and WR in 1977 when we had injuries and he was our only offense.
We did have some very good defensive players in 1973-77 in LBs Ralph Ortega and Glen Cameron who would bring the wood. Sammy Green, DL Scott Hutchinson, DB Alvin Cowans. We also had Jimmy Kynes center and Buster Morrison as a punter. In 1975-76 we had the most explosive offense in the country but just not enough defense.
We did have some very good defensive players in 1973-77 in LBs Ralph Ortega and Glen Cameron who would bring the wood. Sammy Green, DL Scott Hutchinson, DB Alvin Cowans. We also had Jimmy Kynes center and Buster Morrison as a punter. In 1975-76 we had the most explosive offense in the country but just not enough defense.
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