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Different way to look at returning experience (LSU #1)

Posted on 2/5/16 at 4:57 pm
Posted by Cheeky Fellow
Brookhaven-Oglethorpe MARTA Station
Member since Jan 2016
1458 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 4:57 pm
Pretty good
CFB Returning Talent
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 5:02 pm
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15580 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 5:02 pm to
I'm just happy we only lost ONE underclassman to the draft this year (OL Jerald Hawkins), as opposed to leading the nation in that category the last few years!
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 5:32 pm to
Interesting take. If we only improve by an average of 2.1 pts/game, 2016 is going to be a long season...
Posted by TheMuffinMan
Arlington, VA
Member since Apr 2011
406 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 5:34 pm to
Very cool article and method. And even though he acknowledges that his OL metric is flawed, it seems like that should've been dealt with already (I'm greedy ). Returning three of last year's starters seems magnitudes more valuable than returning a three year starter. I would think his simple proposed solution of using only the previous year's starts would be sufficient, but you could consider weighting by recency (2x for previous year and 1x for 2+ years prior).

I think that considering the consensus that OL play is largely influenced by experience and highly correlated with offensive success, it's imperative to devise a metric for OL experience that properly reflects this correlation. With other stuff you don't wanna fish and fiddle, but there's no way OL experience doesn't matter.
Posted by Jacknola
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
4366 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 6:00 pm to
I like SB nation... but any "system' that has Alabama projected last in the SEC, and 104th in the nation is not something I would pay much attention to.

The statisticians at SB get off in left field pretty often. Their mathematical method of picking the winners of the bowl games... winners outright, not beating the line... ended almost exactly 50-50. A coin toss would have done the same.


Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
54052 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 6:07 pm to
Pressure is on for the grass eater.

Time to do something.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 6:08 pm
Posted by TheMuffinMan
Arlington, VA
Member since Apr 2011
406 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:00 pm to
Well it's important to realize what it's projecting: net change in performance (pts/game) for next year. Alabama won the NC this year and seemed to clearly be the best team. Do you think they should be projected to improve given who they lose? Now Alabama recruits well enough to mitigate experience lost more than anyone in the country, so this projection is going to skew them negatively.

However, the 50/50 finish on bowl bets is pretty bad. It's one year, and I don't know how many bowls they predicted, but any kind of worthwhile system should be significantly over 50 for outright winners. That's terrible.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:39 pm to
Nobody gives a shite unless we beat bama
Posted by silverstreak02
Charlotte, NC
Member since Aug 2013
970 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:43 pm to
Not LSU-related, but what value does returning a bunch of losers (UCF, Wake, Syracuse, Charlotte) mean?

Obviously LSU is an anomaly at the top of the list given their level of talent.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8419 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:20 pm to
It provides value because players generally get better with experience, and those teams would be replacing those losers with less experienced losers.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22151 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:33 pm to
All it's saying is that Bama is losing the most offensive and defensive production from last year.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:06 pm to
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It provides value because players generally get better with experience, and those teams would be replacing those losers with less experienced losers.


True, but everybody has a ceiling, and I'm guessing the ceiling for most of those players is pretty low in the grand scheme of things. It does little good to return greater experience if they still can't beat teams with players who are already better than them even without the experience. Being a four year starter at Vandy doesn't keep you from being pancake-blocked by a 4* freak athlete freshman at a major SEC program.
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