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re: 60's music: Better musicianship?
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:42 pm to Rebelgator
Posted on 3/27/15 at 2:42 pm to Rebelgator
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:09 pm to TigerPanzer
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60's music: Better musicianship?
Disagree. There might have been "better musicianship" on the mainstream radio in the 60s than there is now, but that is just about what is popular then versus now and doesn't answer the question.
There are musicians, bands, singers, making music right now that is every bit as good as any past generation of musicians. You may need to broaden your horizon with today's music. Get off the local radio and get on Pandora, iTunes, Spotify, other internet music sources and start exploring a little bit. The sheer volume of music available for you to listen to is mind-blowing and there is some amazing stuff out there no matter your personal taste.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:19 pm to TigerPanzer
Any thread about musicianship that does not mention The Band is bullshite.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 3:28 pm to TigerPanzer
Late 60's (especially 1969), yes. Early 60's, no.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:12 pm to TigerPanzer
I think the late 60s and early 70s was excellent music. Probably my favorite stretch is 67-72
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:15 pm to TigerPanzer
Great musicianship happening right now in music, on the big 'indie' side and on the local musician side.
Unfortunately, a lot of what gets popularized by the corporate owned music industry is crap that requires no musicianship.
Unfortunately, a lot of what gets popularized by the corporate owned music industry is crap that requires no musicianship.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:51 pm to TigerPanzer
Over the years metal has some of the most skilled musicians that collectively play together of any genre, but there is also some phenomenal individual blues, and jazz musicians.
There simply aren't many acts that have emerged in the last 15 years that are very skilled or talented at writing and composing.
There simply aren't many acts that have emerged in the last 15 years that are very skilled or talented at writing and composing.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:41 pm to TigerPanzer
There was plenty of garbage from the 60's.
In hindsight, we think of the 60's as being just the cool stuff.
Because that's all most of us ever hear... just the cool stuff that was culled from the overall shite.
And 60 to 66 was still Ricky Nelson type shite. It wasn't really until 67 that the "cool" stuff started.
And most of them were dead within the next 5 years.
The ones that survived would have been better off dead.
I'm looking at you Jeff Beck....
In hindsight, we think of the 60's as being just the cool stuff.
Because that's all most of us ever hear... just the cool stuff that was culled from the overall shite.
And 60 to 66 was still Ricky Nelson type shite. It wasn't really until 67 that the "cool" stuff started.
And most of them were dead within the next 5 years.
The ones that survived would have been better off dead.
I'm looking at you Jeff Beck....
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:44 pm to 3nOut
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I think the late 60s and early 70s was excellent music. Probably my favorite stretch is 67-82
Really hard to argue with that.
Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:29 pm to scrooster
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Posted on 3/27/15 at 11:57 pm to Herman Frisco
Punk and DIY had a big impact on the importance attached to playing skill in rock music. Raw, unsophisticated musicianship was a hallmark of the punk sound, and it changed the way people understood and embraced pop music. Not that this was an entirely bad thing–punk brought a unique form of spontaneity to music and produced–at least to this listener–loads of great bands and songs.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 7:59 am to TigerPanzer
I don't know how anyone can say the 60's wasn't the most revolutionary decade for music. IMO it was the best by far, 70's and 90's tied in 2nd place, 80's third, then millennium stuff is kinda all the same pop.
This is strictly for radio songs. I think every generation has their own gems as song writers, from Gordon Lightfoot to Jason Isbell
This is strictly for radio songs. I think every generation has their own gems as song writers, from Gordon Lightfoot to Jason Isbell
Posted on 3/28/15 at 8:07 am to Tigerwaffe
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Punk and DIY had a big impact on the importance attached to playing skill in rock music. Raw, unsophisticated musicianship was a hallmark of the punk sound, and it changed the way people understood and embraced pop music. Not that this was an entirely bad thing–punk brought a unique form of spontaneity to music and produced–at least to this listener–loads of great bands and songs.
Punk eventually produced some great musicians and bands like The Police, The Clash and The Pretenders. These guys showed the later generation that you could have that spontaneity and urgent sound and be a good musician.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 9:05 am to TigerPanzer
Most music died for me after the 70's. Disco, Rap,
Punk worst music ever.
Punk worst music ever.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:04 am to Person of interest
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Punk eventually produced some great musicians and bands like The Police, The Clash and The Pretenders. These guys showed the later generation that you could have that spontaneity and urgent sound and be a good musician.
That's a fair observation except, as a fan of The Police, I'm fairly certain they were influenced just as much by Reggae and Jazz as they were Punk, if not more.
And, of course, you're aware of the pre-punk connection between Hynde and The Clash which bled over into The Pretenders. I always thought of them more as New Wave with maybe a mix of Punk as well as a splattering of 60s invasion stuff ... although most people do not realize that Hynde is not British, she's an Ohioan.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 10:10 am to scrooster
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With regard to the so-called "cultural significance of the 60s music," ummmm no. That's liberal revisionist history
So the music of Dylan, Lennon and others had no impact on the youth movement to get out of Vietnam? OK.
I know it pains your Pat Boone sensibilities to accept what happened, but que sera sera.
To the OP... I don't know if the musicianship was better or worse, but it was certainly a time of experimentation. Be it Phil Spector's Wall of Sound, Brian Wilson's marriage of Four Freshmen and Chuck Berry or his Pet Sounds evolution with The Wrecking Crew, to the birth of Heavy Metal, Funk, etc.
It's amazing to consider where music (and culture) was on January 1st, 1960 to where it ended on December 31st, 1969.
As a fan of music I enjoy all of it, but the sea change in the 1960s set the tone for everything after.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 11:02 am to scrooster
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The Police, I'm fairly certain they were influenced just as much by Reggae and Jazz as they were Punk, if not more.
Reggae was a big influence on British punk in particular, but eventually made its way over here in the form of Ska.
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. I always thought of them more as New Wave with maybe a mix of Punk as well as a splattering of 60s invasion stuff
I would agree they were new wave but coming out of the Punk tradition. They were better musicians and took the craft more seriously than bands like the Ramones or Sex Pistols.
Saw Crissie Hynde in Tulsa last year, she was amazing still.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 12:12 pm to Mizz-SEC
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It's amazing to consider where music (and culture) was on January 1st, 1960 to where it ended on December 31st, 1969.
Bravo! Frankie Avalon looks like he dipped his hair in the La Brea Tar Pits!
Posted on 3/28/15 at 5:26 pm to Agforlife
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Any thread about musicianship that does not mention The Band is bullshite.
The Band perfectly represents my thoughts on this topic.
They were old enough to remember American music that was regional. They ( some of them anyway) had been classically trained on a variety of instruments. They were around some of the greatest mainstream songwriters this country has produced. And they were at the right time to take all those influences together with cutting edge electrics and recording studeos.
There may not ever be another era that gets to tap into little-known regional music scenes and introduce "new'' sounds to the extent that the 60's acs could.
What's great about is the ability to have it all at our fingertips without depending on radio. But I think that also leads a little to more specialized niche music.
One other note on musicianship: the use of professional session musicians in the 60's and early 70's definitely produced some incredible work, but that changed some when we began demanding that bands play their own stuff instead of letting the frontmen fake-strum guitars on stage.
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