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We have America because of Alabama (You're welcome)

Posted on 11/7/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted by genro
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 2:51 pm
It's the 1740s in colonial British America. You notice that thriving cities and industries have sprung up in the New World, there's beginning to be serious sustainable population and infrastructure. Also, you don't really like the British. Even though they technically own everything due to aristocratic deals with the King, most of the Europeans are actually there to get away from the royal government or European societies in some form.

There are problems with forming an independent country though. You can't economically support a war effort or an independent country thereafter without a sustainable transportation and import/export system. In the 1700s, or any time before industrialized railroads, automobiles, and planes, you need the Mississippi River and New Orleans to support a North American nation. There's no other way around it.

Now draw a direct line from the British colonial cities to New Orleans. It goes straight through that neutral gap between colonial England and colonial France. That includes more navigable waterways and rivers than any other part of the continent through the Ohio River Valley, the Cumberland Gap, down the foothills and the richly fertile plains of southern Alabama and Georgia. It is prime real estate. It is perfect for settlements, farms, and (probably most importantly) direct inland river transportation from cities to the Gulf.

So you want a new country, but you're in a pickle. You can't go to war with France to take the necessary land without British military help or consent. You can't rebel against the British because the French will snatch up this land while you're facing the other direction.

Luckily, the Seven Years War breaks out. The great powers in Europe are in a war as usual with England and France on opposite sides as usual. French and English colonists in America are paranoid of each other and are sending out expeditionary forces to protect the neutral land. Of course, as an American who wants this land, you decide to portray this to the British as a French invasion, the western theater of the great war in Europe. Doesn't really matter if it's true or not, now the British are coming to defend you, they beat the French for you, drive them out of North America almost entirely, and hand you the land you need. The French and Indian War.

Now every problem is solved. You have the land and geography you need to support a war effort and a new country. And you can go to war with your British colonizers without leaving it vulnerable to the French colonizers. And a few years later, that's exactly what happened.

This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 4:33 pm
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 2:53 pm to
My family fled to Alabama because they were Loyalists.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55220 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 3:14 pm to
so we should thank Alabama for being liars and traitors before there was even such a thing as Alabama?

long live the King! (Elvis that is)
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 3:17 pm to
George Washington fought alongside the British to conquer this land. Do you think he just immediately had a change of heart because of a tea tax? He knew exactly what he was doing.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55220 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 3:25 pm to
he was a loyal British subject, that's what they are supposed to do.

Besides, the French were using the indians to burn our farms and rape our wimmenz!

I watched Last of the Mohicans


This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 3:27 pm
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 3:54 pm to
America was founded by rich aristocratic landlords who stood to economically benefit from war and conquest and exploitation. And they were totally against that. That's what so amazing. You can't really call them hypocrites. Jefferson was a rich slave-owner who said all these ideals of individualism and liberty and also predicted eventual black liberation and citizenship. 100 years later this was still a ludicrous notion even to Abraham Lincoln. All their writings, private and public and the Bill of Rights itself, is designed for preventing and destroying the very aristocratic systems they themselves benefited from, and many of them KNEW that. Washington could've made himself Emperor and set up a fiefdom easily. They were intent on destroying the Old World system even though it meant destroying themselves and their families high status in these systems.
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32652 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 3:59 pm to
When you say destroying themselves?
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 4:09 pm to
This is a very texan-like post.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 4:12 pm to
Many of the Founders had their livelihoods directly destroyed in the war or in the immediate collapse of the British system.

As for the few who remained wealthy, basically all their descendants went broke and lost their estates.

Hard to benefit from feudal aristocracy when you preach propaganda and set up law against feudal aristocracy.
Posted by MaroonMonsoon
Canton
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 4:32 pm to
Im not reading that shite.










Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 5:59 pm to
This is not entirely true. They were not really interested in liberty for all. They were more interested in liberty for themselves and people like them. If they wanted to extend liberty for all, they could have easily done so.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 6:06 pm to
quote:

If they wanted to extend liberty for all, they could have easily done so.
They would've then had no power to lead a Revolution. Their power and influence came from their aristocratic nobility. To destroy it immediately is to cut off your nose to spite your face. To set up a system that knowingly destroys it gradually is the only practical option. If you want to actually destroy the Old World system. You could see yourself as the last necessary evil. The tyrant to end tyranny.
Posted by Ridgewalker
Member since Aug 2012
3556 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 5:28 am to
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 3:11 pm
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
Crimson Tide Fan Club
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 6:23 am to
lolFremch people are so dumb.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 8:25 am to
No mention of football or Bear Bryant?



fricking DOWNVOTE!!!
Posted by Mister Tee
On the Lake
Member since Jun 2014
2761 posts
Posted on 11/8/14 at 10:38 am to
That land in your picture was actually called the Creek and Cherokee "Nations." It was even recognized as such and was on every map back then. (Some maps just said "Indian Territory"). I think 1832 (or some date close to that) is when the American government finally seized that territory for their own.

That's where my great-whatever grandfather got the land that my family lives on today. Not that I am not grateful to live here today. Just saying, history is interesting.
This post was edited on 11/8/14 at 10:41 am
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