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re: COVID Spike at UGA

Posted on 9/12/21 at 8:02 pm to
Posted by Sir Thomas Bombadil
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 8:02 pm to
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You’re contending there are variants and this is why cases and hospitalizations are up 300%, and at the same time insisting the vaccine makes the vaxxed more protected than the unvaxxed.

How in the blue frick can you have it both ways?

Did the vaccine for the original strain suddenly begin protecting against the variants?

Here’s a clue… it hasn’t.


In your rambling diatribe, you have missed - or deliberately ignored - the materials I cited above, as well as the study you cited yourself. I've requoted below for convenience:

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While this sounds discouraging, it’s important to keep three things in mind:

Vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease.

Breakthrough infections among vaccinated individuals remain uncommon.

The majority of new COVID-19 infections in the US are among unvaccinated people.




Vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease, breakthrough infections and disease among vaccinated individuals remain uncommon, and most of the new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. are among unvaccinated people.



(Again, emphasis added.)

It stands to reason that a more transmissible variant could result in significantly increased hospitalizations when most of the new cases are unvaccinated, and unvaccinated individuals have an 10x higher chance to be hospitalized compared to vaccinated individuals.

The vaccines are not as effective against the Delta variant as they were from the original variant, but the data show that they still provide significantly decreased risk of hospitalization/death, and some reduction in the chance of becoming infected in the first place.

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So all these people with variants OBVIOUSLY have the same viral load particles as the unvaxxed.


Please quote me above where I disagree with this. Based on the information I have seen, vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals appear to carry the same viral loads upon infection. However, people disingenuously use that information to show vaccines aren't effective (as you are doing now), while ignoring that vaccines also decrease the risk of infection in the first place. If someone gets infected - sure, they carry the same viral load. But the studies I've linked above indicate a vaccinated individual is 4.5x less likely to be infected. If the individual is not infected, then they won't have a viral load.

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Again, the powers at be are lying to us and some of you buffoons can’t process quite simple logic because you’re idiots, and you just gobble up whatever your tribe tells you.

So again, if vaxxed people can still transmit covid, and the vaxxed folks believe they are still somehow protected, why the hell do you care if anyone is unvaxxed?


Again, you've ignored what I said on this previously. And again, I've requoted below for convenience:

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As stated above, vaccination reduces chance of infection (and hospitalization and death). Unvaccinated individuals are more likely to catch COVID; therefore, are more likely to spread it, which affects everyone (including vaccinated individuals).


If unvaccinated individuals are 4.5x more likely to be infected with COVID, it stands to reason that everyone is better off with everyone vaccinated, as there is a lower likelihood that an individual becomes infected, which reduces community spread.

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Think for a moment on this hypothetical… let’s say everyone on the planet is vaxxed. Literally 100% global vaccination. Is covid suddenly gone? Are there no more hospitalizations and deaths?


It'd be nice if it worked that way. There wouldn't be a complete elimination, but based on the data cited above, there would be a substantial reduction in hospitalizations/deaths, and a noticeable reduction in transmission.

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NO!!! Because the goddamn thing is going to mutate and the vaccine doesn’t do shite for any subsequent variant.



The vaccine is not as effective against Delta as it was Alpha, but the data show that transmissibility, hospitalization, and death still are reduced. In a perfect world, we'd see a 100% reduction in all of that; but I'll take a substantial reduction if 100% isn't attainable - it's not an all or nothing concept. As Volatire said: "Perfect is the enemy of good."

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And now we have everyone in close quarters with max viral load again in their transmissible airways. Nobody has antibodies because the vaccine disrupts covid-recovered immunity, the mRNA spike proteins are causing ADE and more frequent mutations, and this fricking shite never ends.

When the solution is in viable treatments that we should be taking the instant we have symptoms. Treatments that would virtually eliminate hospitalizations, where it’s too freaking late to do anything but go on a ventilator and wait to die.


You keep focusing on treatments instead of prevention. There is some quote (that I'll paraphrase) that says something along the lines of "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." I have no qualms developing treatments to COVID cases, but to ignore prevention is a grave mistake. A seatbelt reduces your risk of death in a car accident, but not driving recklessly reduces your chance of needing the seatbelt.

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But existing treatments don’t make Big Pharma money, and politicians can’t get their big campaign donations and kickbacks when that happens. So we’re stuck in this perpetual bull shite until folks like you stop being stupid and start realizing their stories don’t add up.


Your pharmacy conspiracy theories don't change the results of the data, which indicate that vaccines reduce transmissibility, hospitalization, and death.

So, either:

(1) the "powers that be" have so much power as to be able to influence scientists across the globe to drive some dystopian fantasy where everyone is getting tricked by BigPharma into being vaccinated because of campaign contributions by BigPharma, or

(2) these conspiracy theories bandied about on Facebook and elsewhere on the internet aren't based in reality, rely on ignoring arguments and data (which you have done above), cherry-pick information out of context (which you have done above), and resort to asking random "why" questions that no one is asking and dismissing any opposing position by referring to others as "buffoons," "idiots," part of some "tribe," etc. (again, which you have done above).

Occam's Razor suggests the latter.
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