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re: Facts about Texas “destroying” two conferences.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:22 pm to DKR81
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:22 pm to DKR81
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SMU had received the death penalty. TCU and A&M were both place on probation by the NCAA. All for illegal recruiting violations. TCU and A&M were denied TV games and limited scholarships.
Who turned SMU, A&M, and TCU into the NCAA in the first place? And for the exact SAME things Texas was doing. Texas was Philip Fulmer before Phillip Fulmer. Texas was being protected by the SWC. You know this. It wasn't and isn't a secret.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:22 pm to Robot Santa
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If you meet an a-hole once a month then you just met an a-hole. If you meet an a-hole every day then you are the a-hole.
Socrates or Aristotle?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:24 pm to DKR81
Missouri was the only school to vote nay on your admission to the then Big 8. We, along with A&M, knew you were full of shite from the get go.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:25 pm to Ttazhorn
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Jealousy is a bad thing...Most of these teams that go around talking about Texas being the big bad wolf would not have ever been in a P5 conference if it weren't for Texas and OU to a lesser extent paying the bills...You think Baylor and TCU deserve to be P5? They are 2 of the ungrateful fanbases and Admins that do the most complaining about big bad Texas, when it was Texas that propped them up. The "have nots" will always complain about the "haves"...
JHC, dude, there’s nothing but thread after thread, post after post declaring people’s hatred of TU for their arrogance and cancerous behavior. Yet, your complete lack of self awareness and hubris is staggering, thank God the Gumps have more class.
Pot meet Kettle
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:25 pm to DKR81
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Missouri has two eastern division titles and that’s it.
In a tougher conference.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:29 pm to ronricks
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Who turned SMU, A&M, and TCU into the NCAA in the first place? And for the exact SAME things Texas was doing. Texas was Philip Fulmer before Phillip Fulmer. Texas was being protected by the SWC. You know this. It wasn't and isn't a secret.
I watched the 30 for 30 on Espn about SMU and it was not Texas that turned them in. It was a school up North that was trying to recruit against them and lost a player to them...SMU and the rest would have been fine if they just quit the crap for a little while to get the NCAA off their back. The problem was, like the addicts they are, they ignored the warnings from the NCAA and kept going. There own people testified against them and got them in the most trouble..The NCAA did not want to penalize them as harshly as they did, but SMU would not quit...
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:34 pm to Bhud
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the SWC ceased to exist for many reasons.
1. Probation, ironically due to member schools turning each other in. SMU, TCU, and Houston were the biggest hits.
2. Oilers and Cowboys removing the eyes of their respective markets from college football, with regards to SMU, Rice, Houston, and TCU.
3. The Big 12 wanted those 2 markets, and could get them via Texas and the Ags.
The reality is, new money TV contracts, paired with the afore mentioned under performing schools from a viewership standpoint, killed the SWC.
Sorry this is a bit long and will cause some eye bleeding.
The reality is, the SWC of the early and mid '80s was very strong. SMU was Top 5. Texas played for the NC in '83. Arkansas was strong and always in the mix for the Championship and no one liked playing there.
Baylor was a very solid program and still in the Grant Teaff era. Tech was a fun and dangerous program with Spike Dykes. Houston was playing NY Day games and had a Heisman winner. TCU had a brief revival under Jim Wacker. Rice sucked but at least they had a cool old stadium and they were the smart kids with the funny band.
Texas started picking off schools one by one as they were vulnerable using the NCAA and Dallas Morning News to do their dirty work because they controlled both. By the late '80s Arkansas had avoided the NCAA monster but had had enough and went to the SEC.
The reality is, the man who created and ran the investigations and enforcement of NCAA violations was a Texas Law Prof that was a brilliant legal mind and a complete a-hole and deeply biased SOB. The reality is that the Editor of the DMN was also a Tsip lackey who went out investigative reporters on everyone but especially SMU and A&M who in the 80's were the biggest threat to Texas.
The reality is Texas was a complete dumpster fire by the early 90s and were losing their minds. A&M won 6 SWC Titles in 8 years and beat Texas 10 of 11. They absolutely were beside themselves with rage.
The reality is that the first investigation that led to A&M's probation in '88 and Jackie's firing the NCAA admitted they could not actually prove anything. A&M was put on probation because Jackie basically told them to frick themselves because he knew everyone was cheating and it was a witch hunt so they used his lack of cooperation as "lack of institutional control" as the reason for the probation. A&M rebuilt again quickly under RC and won 3 more titles and AGAIN the DMN had an investigative reporter finding some kids who had Summer jobs but apparently didn't come to work every day and they put us on probation again (threatening the death penalty). A&M was off TV in '94 and ineligible but went undefeated anyway.
The reality is that when the Big 12 started it was arguably the strongest conference in football. Nebraska was the best program in CFB. A&M had just won 6 SWC Titles and was a powerhouse. Colorado won the NC in '90 and was still a very strong team. KState was just emerging through their best football period. Then you also had Texas and OU of course rebuilding. Yet barely a decade later and it had all gone to crap again.
The reality is, Texas is a terrible business partner that thinks everyone wants to be them and that the rules for everyone else do not apply to them. They also think they are a benevolent god like institution that generously allows other programs to bask in their glow on occasion and have never done anything wrong because as gods they are infallible.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:39 pm to DKR81
You are delusional. Texas craps on everything they touch! When they join SEC we become the old SWC except for U of H. Texas started their own TV station just for more money thus costing other teams money. If they can't control it they destroy it.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:43 pm to Ttazhorn
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I watched the 30 for 30 on Espn about SMU and it was not Texas that turned them in. It was a school up North that was trying to recruit against them and lost a player to them...SMU and the rest would have been fine if they just quit the crap for a little while to get the NCAA off their back. The problem was, like the addicts they are, they ignored the warnings from the NCAA and kept going. There own people testified against them and got them in the most trouble..
That kid didn’t sign until 1983. All the problems started in 1980 because SMU went into Austin and beat Texas. After losing by 2 in 1981 SMU won again in 1982. Texas was mad that SMU dared to beat/compete with them on the football field and they couldn't have it. Look at Texas record vs SMU and A&M prior to 1980. They had won 13 in a row over SMU and 9 of 13 vs A&M. All the sudden Texas started losing to both. They threw a tantrum and couldn't handle it.
Texas was cheating just as much (if not more) than SMU and A&M. Only Texas got a very small slap on the wrist while SMU and A&M paid dearly. Why was that?
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:46 pm to DKR81
TU was as clean as a whistle in the SWC.
quote:NYT - June 18th, 1987
The University of Texas football program was placed on a two-year probation today by the N.C.A.A. because of rules violations over the past several years.
Texas joined three other Southwest Conference schools on probation -Southern Methodist, Texas Tech and Texas Christian.
Of the nine Southwest Conference schools, only Rice and Arkansas are not either on National Collegiate Athletic Association probation or under investigation.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:23 pm to THE Texas Flagship
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SMU got the death penalty for shite Texas was the biggest at
LOL, Texas didn't need to cheat. Kinda wish they would have though. Everybody else was.
This as much as anything is a perfect example of how Texas' fans think of themselves. Cheat? Why would Texas cheat? I mean EVERYONE wants to go to Texas! It simply doesn't compute to them.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:39 pm to cardboardboxer
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I won't back down on this bull shite.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:12 pm to DKR81
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The reason the SWC (most fans weren’t born or in diapers back then) failed, was not because of Texas. SMU had received the death penalty. TCU and A&M were both place on probation by the NCAA. All for illegal recruiting violations.
Interesting. You seem to be leaving out a very important fact, though.
The 1980s saw many of the conference's athletic programs hit by recruiting scandals and NCAA probations.[4][5][6] The only programs to escape probation in the 1980s were Arkansas, Baylor, and Rice.[
Did you forget that Texas was put on probation, too?
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:20 pm to THE Texas Flagship
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LOL, Texas didn't need to cheat. Kinda wish they would have though. Everybody else was.
One of the great amnesia acts is Texas fans forgetting the NCAA hit them penalties in the 80s.
51 Rules Violations
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The NCAA allegations include charges that a player received financial support from a professional sports agent, complimentary tickets were sold for more than face value and former coaches and boosters provided improper loans and other inducements to players.
The NCAA also cited illegal contacts with recruits and offers of improper inducements for players to sign with Texas in its letter to the university.
The NCAA said at least three violations were committed by McWilliams while he was an assistant to former Coach Fred Akers, who was fired in December after the Longhorns finished 5-6 in his 10th season at Texas.
McWilliams, who was head coach for one season at Texas Tech before returning to Texas in December, was accused of providing improper loans to players, arranging to pay a fine for a player and allowing players to use his car.
'I am aware what I did was wrong and I apologize for it,' McWilliams said. 'They (violations) are certainly serious because they're wrong. Certainly, I made a mistake on those things.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:24 pm to Ttazhorn
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It was a school up North that was trying to recruit against them and lost a player to them
You didn't really watch then because you would have known that SMU had already been through the NCAA ringer several times prior to Sean Stopperich coming to town.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:25 pm to ronricks
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That kid wasn't signed until 1983. All the problems started in 1980 because SMU went into Austin and beat Texas. After losing by 2 in 1981 SMU won again in 1982. Texas was mad that SMU dared to beat/compete with them on the football field and they couldn't have it. Look at Texas record vs SMU and A&M prior to 1980. They had won 13 in a row over SMU and 9 of 13 vs A&M. All the sudden Texas started losing to both. They threw a tantrum and couldn't handle it.
Texas was cheating just as much (if not more) than SMU and A&M. Only Texas got a very small slap on the wrist while SMU and A&M paid dearly. Why was that?
I know you know the answer, but for the benefit of others:
Charles Alan Wright
Wright was also involved in both intramural and intercollegiate athletics. Wright served on the NCAA Committee on Infractions from 1973 until 1983, including five years as chair. At the University of Texas, Wright's achievements extended beyond the classroom and courtroom: Wright led the Legal Eagles – a stunningly successful intramural football team – to 330 wins during his 45-year involvement as coach and athletic director. He was also a member of the committee that was formed to hire a new head football coach of the University of Texas in 1997, eventually hiring Mack Brown.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:26 pm to Windy City
quote:Texas be like...
One of the great amnesia acts is Texas fans forgetting the NCAA hit them penalties in the 80s.
51 Rules Violations
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:27 pm to Windy City
quote:Damn. Paying players and still sucking arse.
Longhorns finished 5-6 in his 10th season at Texas.
At least those Dodge Chargers bring natties to Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:27 pm to KaiserSoze99
quote:Merely a coincidence
I know you know the answer, but for the benefit of others:
Charles Alan Wright
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:31 pm to DKR81
"Remained Loyal" = didnt want to get raped in the SEC.
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