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re: OT- Let your state reps know how you feel
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:34 am to tybeebomb
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:34 am to tybeebomb
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1) China policy was shite. WE paid the tariffs (thats you too, trumpets)
Agreed.
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2) his cabinet picks were not qualified for their offices, they were hand picked to destroy said office, to fleece and yes, rob America of its resources from within (energy, Treasury, education)
Agreed
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3) his foreign policy was shite. Talk tough to our Allies while cozing up to our actual enemies. (Soviets, N Korea, etc)
Agreed for the most part. His middle east policy was excellent.
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4) he's a socialist. Tgats right dumbasses. He's A corporate socialist. Hand outs to corporations and his family.
Eh. His tax bill had good and bad. I appreciated the tax cut but he didn't need to implement the corporate handouts. His big problem was increasing spending while decreasing revenue, running a bigger deficit than Obama.
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5) Also, he's a Soviet asset. Thats right - bought and paid. All is businesses are propped up by Soviet oligarchs. He's Putin's bitch
This is stupid. They spent years investigating this and found basically nothing. Let this one go.
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6) my favorite, he and Moscow Mitch has practically burned the constitution. Specially the turtle, who is married to a Chinese communist with ties to, you guessed it, Chinese communist s!
Mitch is the only thing keeping us from passing ridiculous progressive nonsense.
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 1:01 pm to chillmonster
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Here's the Washington Post article BTW.
Amazon WaPo didn't change that headline until they were digitally overrun with angry Americans wielding torches and pitchforks. You're welcome to spin this one, but you will fail.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:09 pm to VoxDawg
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Amazon WaPo didn't change that headline until they were digitally overrun with angry Americans wielding torches and pitchforks. You're welcome to spin this one, but you will fail
The original was "Terrorist in Chief". The one you're talking about was changed in 2 hours.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:22 pm to RedPants
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I agree with you, but my point was that both sides can be brainwashed by nonsense. I wasn't arguing reach
Reach isn't exactly my point though. It's asymmetric polarization.
When one side says raise the minimum wage and expand Medicare as an option to add to Mitt Romney's healthcare plan (something most of MSNBC says is too much to ask) and the other side says the masks the entire world is wearing are tyranny and the Clintons are running an international pedophile ring it's not something that can be equated. It's asymmetric and to pretend otherwise paints a distorted picture.
It would make more sense to say kids that want to disband police entirely (a miniscule minority with no real media backing) are on the other side of OANN and Info Wars of the world. The problem is nobody in the mainstream of left leaning media believes that or takes it seriously.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 5:57 pm to deeprig9
Civil Wars have been started for less!
Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:06 pm to chillmonster
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(a miniscule minority with no real media backing)
There isnt ONE prime time host on CNN or MSBNBC that would disagree with defunding LE...not to mention multitudes of other opinion shows (The View,GMA,CBS morning)
Our MSM is way off the political deep end
Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:10 pm to RD Dawg
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There isnt ONE prime time host on CNN or MSBNBC that would disagree with defunding LE...
Elaborate on what specifically they're advocating.
If you can't then stop acting like you can.
If you can then stop being dishonest.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:29 pm to chillmonster
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Elaborate on what specifically they're advocating.
WHAT? Have you ever watched Lemon,,Anderson,Maddow,Joy Reid or Chris Hayes?
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Elaborate on what specifically they're advocating.
You can freakin google what they said NUMEROUS times about defunding LE.
Did you watch the view the day after Obama criticized the defunding movement? ALL of em went after him.
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If you can then stop being dishonest.
Just STFU! You're the one who made an incredibly dishonest statement. I just called you out on your bullshite
Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:34 pm to RD Dawg
Still don't know of your ignorant or dishonest so I can't really reply.
I'll respond when I can figure it out. Until then enjoy talking to yourself.
I'll respond when I can figure it out. Until then enjoy talking to yourself.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:42 pm to RD Dawg
RD: "disband police entirely"
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chill: "defunding LE"
I'll let you two keep bickering, but at a minimum try to get on the same page with what you're arguing about. I didn't pick the left's slogan, but chill is correct, that outside of a small minority, no one is talking about disbanding the police, at least not in any capacity that I've heard.
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chill: "defunding LE"
I'll let you two keep bickering, but at a minimum try to get on the same page with what you're arguing about. I didn't pick the left's slogan, but chill is correct, that outside of a small minority, no one is talking about disbanding the police, at least not in any capacity that I've heard.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 9:04 am to fibonaccisquared
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outside of a small minority, no one is talking about disbanding the police, at least not in any capacity that I've heard.
Thank you.
And on the media, I'm not saying that outlets like Washington Post or NYTimes, or NPR don't have the liberal biases, they absolutely do. For example, they have what I believe to be an unstated anti-Israel policy. Any time Israel so much as touches the hair on the head of a Palestinian, it's a story. But when a Palestinian blows up a kindergarten class, there will literally be no coverage. But news outlets can have a liberal bias and still be grounded in basic reality. Wall Street Journal has conservative bias, but is still real news, and I read that too. The outlets (or photoshopped internet memes) that indoctrinate Trump's base are just not based in reality.
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 9:20 am to baconwaffle
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But news outlets can have a liberal bias and still be grounded in basic reality
CNN spent 3 YEARS on the Russia collusion hoax as did MULTIPLE other MSM outlets.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 9:27 am to RD Dawg
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Russia collusion hoax
Is it safe to say you believe that Jefferson Beauregard Sessions was in league with the MSM when he allowed the DOJ to prosecute Paul Manafort and imprison him for Russian collusion?
Posted on 12/8/20 at 10:47 am to baconwaffle
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imprison him for Russian collusion?
Do what?
His conviction had nothing to do with "Russian collusion" and goes back to his Ukrainian consulting work in 2014.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 11:18 am to baconwaffle
1st rule of arguing with online reactionaries:
Don't
Don't
Posted on 12/8/20 at 11:42 am to chillmonster
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When one side says raise the minimum wage
The fun part about this argument is the people who say raise minimum wage can't see the forest for the trees. The people who would be hurt the most by this are the people who make minimum wage because their jobs would disappear so fast it would make your head spin. In Florida, a vote just passed to raise minimum wage to $15/hour by 2026. People are dumb.
I really and truly believe these morons think business owners and managers will just gladly accept the loss from their own pockets to give these unskilled laborers more money. If McDonald's had to pay their workers $15/hour, they would go to damn near full automation because of the long term savings on overhead.
Small businesses everywhere who employ high school kids to help clean up and run the cash registers would go under or have to fire their workers to survive.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 11:44 am to fibonaccisquared
Which shelter, and how old, what's her weight?
Posted on 12/8/20 at 11:53 am to VADawg
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The fun part about this argument is the people who say raise minimum wage can't see the forest for the trees. The people who would be hurt the most by this are the people who make minimum wage because their jobs would disappear so fast it would make your head spin
This has been done many times all over the country and all over the world. That fear is overblown.
McDonalds is going to automation with or without the wage increase. Every job a machine can do a machine will do. You really think that extra $150k/year they'd spend is the tipping point? They're already spending that all over the world.
Wages in manufacturing have lagged way behind inflation for 4 decades and automation eliminated those jobs. That's not a reason to keep wages depressed.
- and that's coming from someone with lower wage employees.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 12:02 pm to chillmonster
Also, higher minimum wage means higher cost of goods. If grocery stores are forced to pay the 18 year old college kid working the register $15/hour, guess what? The cost of basic groceries will also go up.
Minimum wage stays down because high school and college kids working in a gas station or at a fast food place don't need to make $15/hour.
Minimum wage stays down because high school and college kids working in a gas station or at a fast food place don't need to make $15/hour.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 12:12 pm to VADawg
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Also, higher minimum wage means higher cost of goods. If grocery stores are forced to pay the 18 year old college kid working the register $15/hour, guess what? The cost of basic groceries will also go up.
Minimum wage stays down because high school and college kids working in a gas station or at a fast food place don't need to make $15/hour.
Minimum wage increase or not, those jobs are going full automation soon. Shelf stockers will still exist, that's about it. And I cannot justify $15/hr for that job.
Retail is already dying due to Amazon. The kid working at the Gap now gets $15/hr? They'll just start shuddering stores and moving more online.
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