re: Is LSU a blue blood? Is Georgia?

I have never looked at College Football like College Basketball with the whole blue blood thing. I think its more about BRANDING than anything. Because no matter how much Notre Dame USC Texas Michigan or Penn St are average or suck they will ALWAYS be viewed as a POWER BRANDS program. Conference, location, media market, fanbase, income producing programs dictate the so called "BLUEBLOOD" status rather than just on field success over decades. Thats why preseason ranking suck balls every year because media bias is INSANE. Michigan and Texas have been about as successful as South Carolina and Mississippi St have been the last decade. College Football has about 30-40 elite, power, semi-power brands with a few at the top who have BIG media cache.

We need to agree on definition of Blue Blood programs.

No matter what the def is, Ole Miss ain't it.

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get UA and LSU, but the other two..no. UGA is second in conference titles ahead of UT. UF has only won conference titles in 2 decades, 90s and 2000s.

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It depends what metrics you emphasize.

UT has been pretty good over history although faltering lately. UF didn't do much historically, but since the 90s has been among the elite.

UGA is somewhere between the two. Since this is a blue blood discussion with emphasis on longevity, all amend my previous comment. Between the three:

UT
UGA
UF

There's just not a clear-cut, consensus answer on these types of questions.

The fact that they were in the game means they were a contender. They were undefeated in 2012 heading into the championship game and they were undefeated in 2018 heading into the semi-finals. That's not media driven, that's a team doing what they need to do to compete for a national championship. Notre Dame just doesn't have the talent to take that next step, however they are still good enough to be in the conversation.

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To say Notre Dame doesn't belong on the list, despite being at least relevant for the last decade, is foolish.

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Disagree. The 12 team never deserved to be in the title game but because they're Notre Dame they were in. They're the NY Knicks of college football. 88 was their last title.

Texas won back to back in 69 and 70. Then 05 with Vince Young. That doesn't warrant BB status imo. 35 years between titles just isn't enough.

No. Neither are blue bloods. Nor is LSU, Clemson or Ole Miss.

Even the "Blue Bloods" go through stretches of not being very good. I know Bama did in the 90"s when they went through more than a few coaches. I can only think of one school that hasn't and have been consistently good over the last 70 years since 1950... That's OSU, but they have only had 5-6 coaches in that time frame with all getting fired except for Meyer. They might have had a few subpar years interspersed in between, but consistently good. Woody, Earle Bruce, John Cooper, Jim Tressell, (I don't count Fickell) Meyer, and now Day.

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For me...a program has to meet certain criteria to even be in the discussion for it.

- 800+ overall wins
- An all-time winning percentage around .700
- Consistent Top 10/15 finishes in the last 70 years
- Consistent appearances in major post-season bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton, etc.)
- 5 or more claimed national championships (from either the CFP, BCS, AP, Coaches, FWAA, or NFF)
- 20 or more P5 conference championships
- Rank in the Top 15 for number of consensus All-Americans

Obviously a program doesn't have to meet ALL but it needs to meet a majority of the criteria listed above.

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This guy gets it, except the NC thing. To me pre 1970 or even pre 1980 NCs mean much less than more modern knew and honestly BCS and CFP mean even more.

This is why there are only 7. The 7 i listed.

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The fact that they were in the game means they were a contender.

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But it was obviously totally media driven. I get what you are saying, but to truly be a contender you have to at least contend.

I mean,we at least contended in 2017 and 2018. We got beat but played god games. ND? no. And with those blowout losses they can't even claim they just had a bad game. At some point you have to play good football against good teams, and they simply have not done that.

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They were undefeated in 2012 heading into the championship game and they were undefeated in 2018 heading into the semi-finals. That's not media driven,

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It is when they don't even look the part. I mean even the eye test said they were overrated before the games even started. The best way to determine if a team is overrated is by the outcome of the game. And both times they were totally outclassed. There is no way to say that another team was better and should have been in those games. They simply were not as good as their record indicated.

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Notre Dame just doesn't have the talent to take that next step, however they are still good enough to be in the conversation.

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Again....when are are getting beaten in big games by 30 points that "next step" is a HUGE step. The SECCG was a far better game than the 2012 NC game. ND MIGHT have come in 4th or 5th place had they played in the SEC that year. Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Texas A&M and of course Alabama probably would have beaten them and LSU might have, too.

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Don't misunderstand...ND is definitely a Blue Blood, imo.