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re: Comparing Kirby Smart and Mark Richt at similar points in their tenure at Georgia

Posted on 10/20/20 at 9:49 am to
Posted by dhuck20
SCLSU Fan
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 9:49 am to
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but Mark was a better head coach.

Good Lord
Posted by atlanta917
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2017
5690 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 9:54 am to
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Any argument that implies that Fromm is a better football player than Fields is seriously misguided.

The argument is that Fromm was better for UGA that year in that offense. Fromm threw for 300+, 3 TD’s, and 0 int’s in the SECC against bama. Unless you think a frosh fields would’ve done better, Fromm gave UGA the best chance of winning that game. I agree Fields had more potential, but that was irrelevant when the main issue was who gave UGA the best chance of winning that game with that offensive scheme. It’s insane to me ppl act like Fields would’ve made UGA’s 2019 offense good. No one was making those WRs and Coley’s offense look good.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 9:57 am
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
16168 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 9:59 am to
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No



2002 9
2003 9
2004 7
2005 7
2006 3
2007 8
2008 7
2009 4
2010 11
2011 7
2012 9
2013 12
2014 8
2015 6

Mark wasn’t a terrible recruiting coach but wasn’t elite. A lot of his classes were 27-30 strong and not individually as high as the sum total.
Posted by UFMatt
Gator Nation - Everywhere
Member since Oct 2010
11509 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 9:59 am to
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Lol...Mark Richt didn't go 3-1 against Florida his first 4 tries, either.



Ron Zook was 2-1 against Georgia. Your point?

If only beating the Gators measures success, congrats on having a great coach! That too will end.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25887 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 9:59 am to
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The argument is that Fromm was better for UGA that year in that offense.

Maybe. Fields never actually got a real shot. I would also argue that any college offense that runs better with Fromm than Fields is flawed schematically.

Did Fromm give UGA a better chance at beating Bama that day? Probably.

Did playing Fromm over Fields give UGA a better chance at winning a national championship between 2018 and 2020? Absolutely not.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25887 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:00 am to
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It’s insane to me ppl act like Fields would’ve made UGA’s 2019 offense good. No one was making those WRs and Coley’s offense look good.

He would have almost certainly made it better. Fromm was average last year, regardless of offense.
Posted by sand mountainDvalues
Member since Oct 2018
8718 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:01 am to
Georgia fans are awfully sensitive whenever this comparison is brought up.


I wonder why
Posted by armtackledawg
Member since Aug 2017
11964 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:02 am to
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That too will end.


Only when Kirby leaves.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:03 am to
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Mark Richt was 46-10 (26-8) at this point in his tenure at Georgia from 2001 through the first four games of 2005. Kirby Smart is 47-13 (28-8) through the same time period. If Georgia fails to win the SEC this year he will have fallen behind Richt's pace. I'm sure questions will then start to arise as to whether or not Smart can get the Bulldogs over that final hump. Maybe Georgia isn't meant to be a national power if that turns out to be the case?



The one thing that is lost in these data points is the atmosphere is more difficult IMO now than then. Kirby has been an upgrade over Richt but probably not as much as uga fans would have hoped.
Posted by Todd Fagan
Member since Jan 2019
237 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:07 am to
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I don’t recall Richt playing in the natty in his first 5 years...


Kirby only made it because he avoided Bama in the SECCG Wonder if Saban told Kirb to send him that SECCG Trophy ?
Posted by atlanta917
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2017
5690 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:07 am to
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I would also argue that any college offense that runs better with Fromm than Fields is flawed schematically.

I agree. That’s not the question though. The question was which QB gave UGA a better chance at winning that year.
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Did Fromm give UGA a better chance at beating Bama that day? Probably.

Fromm have UGA a better chance at a championship in 2018.
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Did playing Fromm over Fields give UGA a better chance at winning a national championship between 2018 and 2020? Absolutely not.

Fromm did for 2018. You don’t punt on a season just because you think a freshman MIGHT be better.
For 2019? No one was making Coley’s offense look good. Fields doesn’t magically make UGA beat LSU that year.
For 2020? Of course. Fromm isn’t here lol
Posted by atlanta917
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2017
5690 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:08 am to
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Kirby only made it because he avoided Bama in the SECCG

Bama wasn’t good enough to make it to the SECC in 2017 then got placed in the playoff despite going 1-1 against ranked opponents that year.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40098 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:11 am to
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Georgia fans are awfully sensitive whenever this comparison is brought up.


I wonder why


Because it's a retarded premise to begin with. Oh no, he and Richt have a similar record their first 5 years. It must mean that Kirby will never win a national championship or even an SEC championship the next ten years.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:12 am to
Richt didn't recruit near the level of Kirby. Georgia is just a QB away, they've made the necessary changes with the offensive staff; I can't think of any team other than Bama, OSU, or Clemson that wouldn't trade places with them now. Look at how they reloaded so easily after losing so much talent on the OL
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 10:17 am
Posted by sand mountainDvalues
Member since Oct 2018
8718 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:14 am to
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Because it's a retarded premise to begin with. Oh no, he and Richt have a similar record their first 5 years. It must mean that Kirby will never win a national championship or even an SEC championship the next ten years.


If it were so retarded, I would think Georgia posters would have no trouble ignoring the comparison.

But here we are on page 3 with 75% of DawgRant RTFU
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40098 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:24 am to
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If it were so retarded, I would think Georgia posters would have no trouble ignoring the comparison.

But here we are on page 3 with 75% of DawgRant RTFU


You know where we're at, right? And just responding to a poster doesn't mean people are RTFU. It's possible to actually respond and not be mad at someone.
Posted by dhuck20
SCLSU Fan
Member since Oct 2012
20430 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:26 am to
Oh look, another appearance of the stupid SECRant conondrum "If you respond you're mad"

Fact: Butch was 14-15 in 29 games, Pruitt is 15-14.

Does it mean Butch is as good of a coach for UT?

It's the same thing except they're both good.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 10:28 am
Posted by sand mountainDvalues
Member since Oct 2018
8718 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:30 am to
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Oh look, another appearance of the stupid SECRant conondrum "If you respond you're mad"

Fact: Butch was 14-15 in 29 games, Pruitt is 15-14.

Does it mean Butch is as good of a coach for UT?

It's the same thing except they're both good.


Exhibit A Peter
Posted by UnderDog68
Thomasville, Ga.
Member since Sep 2017
2543 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:34 am to
Ron Zook was 2-1 against Georgia. Your point?

My point is, Mark Richt was 5-10 against Florida despite having to face Zook and McElwain who were bookends between Meyer and Muschamp. Kirby already has a better record vs. UF in his first 3 years...and if we win this year, it'll be the first time we've won 4 in a row since 1980-1983.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40098 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:35 am to
He's responding to you numbnuts. Not the OP so. . .

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