re: MSU and Fellow ranters. why doubt it?

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He was. Don't distract Krampus from this L he's currently taking.

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Not sure what L you're talking about. You posted the same recruiting rankings I did.

I say the difference in talent level from a team that recruits in the low 20's to one that recruits in the low 30's/mid 40's is negligible. I say it because both of those teams will generally end up in the same 7-9 win range with a middling bowl game.

You and other State fans obviously think it makes a big difference.

That's the crux of our difference in opinion, and there's not really any hard and fast data to support either side.