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re: For the previous decade, what year would you say the SEC peaked the highest?
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:27 am to DVontel
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:27 am to DVontel
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but came in A&M with a great season led with their Heisman winning QB, Johnny Manziel.
Let's be honest.
A&M in 2012 got propped up to support this narrative that Big12 offenses could compete in the SEC. They left Manzel in for like 5 TDs against shitty teams like Rice.
They played 0 tough OOC games because they were new to the conference. And that was were the majority of Manziels yards/TDs came from.
Against LSU and Florida, they got killed. Then Manziel got lucky as hell, fumbled the ball and then had it bounce back in his arms against Alabama, make a few good scrambles and throwing up some luck balls to grab a quick lead before getting shut down the majority of the remaining game. But with his pumped up cupcake stats and the highlights/win against Alabama, everything needed for the narrative was there.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:37 am to 3down10
McCarron throwing that pick at the end is still tough to think about even though Bama won the NC in the end.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:19 am to 3down10
Manziel was so good at scrambling and that made for a lot of fluky stuff. Bama wasn't running some kind of throwback offense at the time (see McCarron's numbers), nor was most of the SEC, it was just LSU that was rolling out a Delta-88 straight from 1970s Michigan
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:16 am to 3down10
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Against LSU and Florida, they got killed
What? A&M lost by 3 to Florida and by 5 to LSU that year. Both games were close.
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They played 0 tough OOC games because they were new to the conference
We annihilated Oklahoma in the Cotton Bowl that year.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 3:12 am to 3down10
Let me show you how devoid of facts your entire post is.
FAIL 1: A&M played Rice in 2013. Manziel was suspended the entire first half due to the autograph incident and didn't take his first snap until the 3rd quarter.
FAIL 2: A&M had to drastically change their nonconference schedule because they went from 3 nonconference games to 4 and because Arkansas was previously a nonconference game.
FAIL 3: Here were Manziel's stats in the regular season.
NONCONFERENCE Passing: 73-116-2 for 1,130 yards and 13 TD
CONFERENCE Passing: 200-284-6 for 2,289 yards and 11 TD
NONCONFERENCE Rushing: 56 carries for 483 yards and 9 TD
CONFERENCE Rushing: 128 carries for 698 yards and 10 TD
FAIL 4:
-Florida 20, A&M 17. Taylor Bertolet missed a field goal
-LSU 24, A&M 19. Taylor Bertolet missed two field goals and an extra point
FAIL 5: Manziel's completion percentage against Alabama was 77.4% (24 for 31). After taking a 20-0 lead in the first quarter, Alabama outscored A&M 24-9. (Failed 2 point conversion happened because, guess what, Bertolet missed ANOTHER PAT)
FAIL 6: See FAIL 1 and FAIL 5. Manziel was the first quarterback to both score 20 rushing and 20 passing touchdowns AND throw for 3,000 and run for 1,000 in the same season. Compared to Manti Teo (who never scored a single career point) and Colin Klein, who had ok stats, he was the obvious choice.
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They left Manzel in for like 5 TDs against shitty teams like Rice.
FAIL 1: A&M played Rice in 2013. Manziel was suspended the entire first half due to the autograph incident and didn't take his first snap until the 3rd quarter.
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They played 0 tough OOC games because they were new to the conference.
FAIL 2: A&M had to drastically change their nonconference schedule because they went from 3 nonconference games to 4 and because Arkansas was previously a nonconference game.
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And that was were the majority of Manziels yards/TDs came from.
FAIL 3: Here were Manziel's stats in the regular season.
NONCONFERENCE Passing: 73-116-2 for 1,130 yards and 13 TD
CONFERENCE Passing: 200-284-6 for 2,289 yards and 11 TD
NONCONFERENCE Rushing: 56 carries for 483 yards and 9 TD
CONFERENCE Rushing: 128 carries for 698 yards and 10 TD
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Against LSU and Florida, they got killed.
FAIL 4:
-Florida 20, A&M 17. Taylor Bertolet missed a field goal
-LSU 24, A&M 19. Taylor Bertolet missed two field goals and an extra point
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Then Manziel got lucky as hell, fumbled the ball and then had it bounce back in his arms against Alabama, make a few good scrambles and throwing up some luck balls to grab a quick lead before getting shut down the majority of the remaining game.
FAIL 5: Manziel's completion percentage against Alabama was 77.4% (24 for 31). After taking a 20-0 lead in the first quarter, Alabama outscored A&M 24-9. (Failed 2 point conversion happened because, guess what, Bertolet missed ANOTHER PAT)
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But with his pumped up cupcake stats and the highlights/win against Alabama, everything needed for the narrative was there.
FAIL 6: See FAIL 1 and FAIL 5. Manziel was the first quarterback to both score 20 rushing and 20 passing touchdowns AND throw for 3,000 and run for 1,000 in the same season. Compared to Manti Teo (who never scored a single career point) and Colin Klein, who had ok stats, he was the obvious choice.
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