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re: Hypothetical: Burrow or a healthy Tua?
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:42 pm to mistaken4193
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:42 pm to mistaken4193
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Tua can be baited into an INT
Hell of a standard to judge a QB by and one even the best have failed. Brady, Montana, and all the greats have been baited into INTs. Hell Peyton threw 5 in one half and out of mercy was pulled for the day. Tua had 6 last year and 3 this year before the injury. Burrow had 6 this year. Had a pick 6 dropped last night in fact.
To their credit LSU didn't drop their pick 6 against Tua. Had they it's possible they aren't even playing last night. That's the razor's edge of playing in the ultra competitive SEC West.
My pick is Tua. He's the most natural and physically gifted passer of the football I've ever seen. He's been blowing people away with his talent since the elite 11 camp. Not dogging Burrow as he had a season for the ages and made himself a very rich man. Don't think there has been a QB make such radical improvement from one year to the next.
Burrow is very accurate but Tua's anticipation, quick release, and timing in throwing guys open is unmatched imo. Even coach O said Tua has the fastest release he's seen in 35 years of coaching football. Tua had the lead in QBR rating at 206.9 when he went down despite playing banged up against LSU.
Tua has played at a higher level more consistently. 3 years Tua has been Tua but was at his very best and seasoned this year. Be interesting to see how both perform in the NFL. So many variables with what's around them at the teams they go to.
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:43 pm to mattloc
I think Bama fans thought they had in TUA what Burrow was this year.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:49 pm to Shaft Williams
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Injuries happen. Burrow can get hurt anytime like anyone else.
Sure injuries COULD happen at anytime to anybody but MULTIPLE injuries have happened to Tua (unfortunately wish the kid all the best). It’s too bad but it absolutely factors into Gms decisions at the nfl level.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:49 pm to mattloc
I think Tua is great. I'm a huge Saints fan, and I want his injury to cause him to drop enough that the Saints can make a deal to move up and get him.
That being said, and trying to be as objective as possible, I would take Burrow. I know he's out of reach for the Saints, but I'd sorta support gutting the team to get him (and yeah, I know the cost would be astronomical).
For awhile, I wondered if he just got on a roll. And then I wondered if he was just a system 1 year wonder. But... nah. He's elite. I'd take him over Lawrence at Clemson, too.
Burrow is good enough physically to play, and he's hands-down the best I've ever seen at the intangibles level. fricking warrior.
That being said, and trying to be as objective as possible, I would take Burrow. I know he's out of reach for the Saints, but I'd sorta support gutting the team to get him (and yeah, I know the cost would be astronomical).
For awhile, I wondered if he just got on a roll. And then I wondered if he was just a system 1 year wonder. But... nah. He's elite. I'd take him over Lawrence at Clemson, too.
Burrow is good enough physically to play, and he's hands-down the best I've ever seen at the intangibles level. fricking warrior.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:55 pm to burke985
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Healthy Tua vs Clemson:
Bama 16
Clemson 44
Healthy Burrow vs Clemson:
LSU 42
Clemson 25
Any questions?
Clemson had 3 Defensive linemen go 4th, 13th, and 17th in the draft last year! All credit to Burrow for an amazing performance last night but that's a game changer when you can get constant pressure without blitzing and drop more back into coverage.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:00 pm to Shaft Williams
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When it comes to Burrow everyone understands he needed 5 years to develop into the player he is. But, Tua gets no sort of understanding. That's bullshite. To even compare Tua and Burrow means you know Tua is better because their college experiences and amount of time in college are so disparate.
What are you even talking about? You don’t think it has anything to do with the fact that Tua has had nagging injuries every season he has played and then several MAJOR injuries and his most major just occurred and we still don’t even know when he will be back to 100%. Meanwhile, Burrow has not had a significant injury that has sidelined him in 4 years and if anything has proven to be one of the more durable, hard-nosed athletes you will see.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:01 pm to Tuas Knee
Defensive pressure was not Clemsons problem last night.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:08 pm to topcat88
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I think Bama fans thought they had in TUA what Burrow was this year.
We did and he got hurt. He was on fire and had the highest ever QB rating of 206.9 when he went down. Threw for over 400 yards of offense against LSU despite being hobbled and under constant pressure.
I expect LSU fans to say Burrow and they should be tar and feathered if they don't. Good to see y'all stick together and support your boy. Each has a strong case to make.
The turn coat Bama fans throwing the best QB we will ever have under the bus is disturbing however. Y'all Benedict Arnold's don't deserve Tua! It doesn't get any better than the show Tua and Burrow put on this year. Historic numbers from both of them and it's a shame Tua's season got cut short.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:09 pm to Tuas Knee
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The turn coat Bama fans throwing the best QB we will ever have under the bus is disturbing however. Y'all Benedict Arnold's don't deserve Tua!
Saying a player you love isn't the best doesn't make you an a-hole or a bad fan. It's just being honest.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:12 pm to TrapperJohn
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Defensive pressure was not Clemsons problem last night.
Dude they had to blitz to get it. Less men in coverage. Whole different ball game when your Defensive line alone gets the pressure and pushes the line of scrimmage back into the QB's face.
That's pretty basic football 101 stuff.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:27 pm to Tuas Knee
Yeah TUA had a high passer rating against teams like Duke and MS St.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:36 pm to Penrod
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In fact, I think Najee is the best RB of the Saban era.
How many can you name?
I'm going to go with Derrick Henry.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Saying a player you love isn't the best doesn't make you an a-hole or a bad fan. It's just being honest.
If that's the way you see it. I disagree and think a healthy Tua has the pure natural ability to be one of the all-time NFL greats. Burrow I see as a year in year out 10th best QB in the league type talent.
Lot of hype right at the moment. Be interesting to see once the workouts and evaluations start to come in how it all shakes out.
Guess we will all have to revisit this in a few years and see how their respective NFL careers are going. If poor Joe goes the Bengals he may never get a chance to prove if he had what it took to be great in the NFL or not.
May be a blessing for Tua to fall to the Dolphins who have draft picks and money galore to build a solid foundation around him.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:47 pm to mattloc
This is kind of a trick question. What kind of team is around them?
If you've got some team that needs a big QB playmaker to get them by, say like a Mike Leach team, then I would take healthy Tua all day long. He's going to be the guy who makes the most amazing and craziest plays in the end.
Or like we did vs Georgia where we threw him in after Jalen struggled and you need a decent amount of points fast. He's your guy.
But I guess I'm old school because if you just want a QB that will stand in the pocket and deliver the ball effectively, take what's given to him and not make a ton of mistakes, then he did that this season and I would rather have that over a gunslinger.
I fricking miss AJ McCarron and Coker.
If you've got some team that needs a big QB playmaker to get them by, say like a Mike Leach team, then I would take healthy Tua all day long. He's going to be the guy who makes the most amazing and craziest plays in the end.
Or like we did vs Georgia where we threw him in after Jalen struggled and you need a decent amount of points fast. He's your guy.
But I guess I'm old school because if you just want a QB that will stand in the pocket and deliver the ball effectively, take what's given to him and not make a ton of mistakes, then he did that this season and I would rather have that over a gunslinger.
I fricking miss AJ McCarron and Coker.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:58 pm to mattloc
What college QB in history could you comfortably pick over Burrow?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:02 am to chillmonster
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What college QB in history could you comfortably pick over Burrow?
It really pains me to say this. Cam Newton...ughh I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit. Auburn was an 8 win team at best without him.
He just single handedly took games over. I honestly think he would have taken MSU to the Natty had they won the bidding war him.
That said I would 100% rather have BDJ or Tua as a teammate, friend, co-worker, Son-in-law, whatever a million times before Cam Newton. My disdain for that smug conceited jerk knows no bounds. What a horrible teammate. None of his teammates in the NFL like him. BDJ and Tua will have guys ready to go to war for them.
Probably go with Vince Younge as well. Statistics wise it's Joe Burrow hands down. Checked every box and got the championship to boot. But does he turn a 7-8 win team with talent deficiencies all over the field and in coaching into a champion?
LSU has always had the talent. Finally came together with the right QB and decision to run a modern offense.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:08 am to mattloc
Burrow and it isn't close
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:10 am to lsufball19
IMO , Burrow kinda transcends the game like Hershel Walker, Bo Jackson, etc. all century team, one of a kind!!
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:28 am to mattloc
I would take Burrow. His pocket awareness is something you don't see very often at this level. He reads defenses better than a lot of current NFL QB's.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:33 am to mattloc
Burrow and it isn't close. Tua never adjusts when the defense after the snap isn't what he saw pre snap. We saw it vs Clemson last year. The first pick was a throw without thinking because he had that throw open vs everyone else.
Burrow will see and react so much faster/better and that's why we saw only 6 INTs this year with a bunch of those being tipped and not Burrow's fault.
Burrow will see and react so much faster/better and that's why we saw only 6 INTs this year with a bunch of those being tipped and not Burrow's fault.
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